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Truck Died while Driving

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First time in 8 years. Before today it has never let me down. Driving down the highway and it just died. Pulled over and it was cranking fine then it wouldn't crank at all and the needles for the gauges are going all funny. Checked codes and I've had one for awhile for 02 sensor, small exhaust leak from when I did the clutch a few years ago. And p0181. Any ideas? I'll get it towed to my work yard and ride my motorcycle till I get it figured.
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P0181 refers to a temp sensor on fuel system.
Unfortunately this sensor is on your fuel pump.
In so far as I'm aware, replacing just the sensor is not an option.
Have someone confirm my thoughts prior to jumping into an expensive repair.
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No crank and twitching gauges is usually a sign of low voltage. Start by having the alternator and battery tested.

Edit: Also check battery terminals, ground locations, and main fuse on positive batter terminal.
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My battery is 6 years old so that could be a good starting point. I was surprised it just died.
Charged the battery and tested it. Looks good. Gave it a shot of ether and it didn't even kick. Turns over just fine. Idpm?
Hi. I have given this a lot of thought. All attempts here at starting should be with full throttle. After 2 seconds of turning over, back off the throttle while continuing to turn over for another few seconds, then continue 2 seconds with no throttle, just to be sure. Push in the clutch pedal for all starts to reduce the load on the starter - don't use the clutch bypas switch.

If the engine starts, quickly release the throttle to avoid revving a cold engine. Never rev an engine that is below normal temperature to above 2500 rpm and idle at no more than 2000 rpm.

After a few attempts to start, smell the exhaust for raw gas or starting fluid. If no gas smell then keep fuel as the problem on your mind.

This here is what I know by memory and may vary from the Xterra manufacturing manual which has a fully detailed procedure.

Considering the car died while driving it seems more like an electrical problem than a mechanical problem. Best to keep the car jumped while starting. Keep the car battery charged. Connect a volt meter TO THE BATTERY you can watch while starting. The voltage should stay >9 volts while cranking.

0. If the voltage drops below that then replace the battery and retry starting. If it starts and runs normally then check the alternator. The voltage should be >14 volts while the engine is running (and not jumped to another battery).

1. Look at the fuses for engine control, fuel, ignition - 5 minutes to do. Check the region around the exhaust leak and make sure nothing was cooked - 5 minutes to do. Check all of the wiring under the hood for loose, burnt or rubbed/stripped wiring - 5 minutes to do. While checking, smell for burnt smells.

2. Pull the engine codes to make sure there are no others. Note the codes then clear all codes.

2a. Other possibilities are a relay is malfunctioning, a sensor is malfunctioning such as crackshaft sensor or camshaft sensor; a problem in the wiring harness, the computer is broken; the timing chain is damaged; the variable valve timing is malfunctioning. Consider either testing relays or following the mechanical tests below which will also test the relays.

The following are mechanical tests in case the electrical checks out. I assume the spark plug gap is correct and there is irridium on the center electrode.

3. Take the gas cap off and smell the gas. There should be no sweet smell, just raw gas. Sometimes it smells a little putrid.

4a. Check the radiator water levels and color, both the over flow tank and the radiator. If either are low or the water has changed color, then keep blown head gasket or oil cooler leak on your mind. If either are low then put the radiator cap back on and clamp the line to the overflow tank to minimize sucking water into the engine. Remove the clamp after testing.

5. Check the engine oil for water. It would look muddy (emolsified) unless the car has sat for awhile, then the water may settle out to the bottom of the pan. Smell the oil. It should smell like exhaust, not burnt. There should be no visible particles and no variations in the look of the oil on the dip stick.

6. Open the air filter box and prop it open then try starting. If the engine runs normally, then shut it down to avoid running with no air filtration and check the air inlet and filter are clear.

7. With the air filter box open, spray starting fluid in the inlet and try starting. Spray fluid again and try starting. If it kicks or starts then dies then fuel is likely the problem. In this case, check power to the fuel pump during starting, then check pressure. Smell the exhaust for starting fluid - it should pass through. If no smell then keep the air intake/exhaust on your mind.

8. Then check spark. If no spark, check the relay. Check the plugs you can get to: All of the ignition coils should not have failed simultaneously.

9. Pull a plug. If dry then check another plug to be sure. If dry, then fuel is likely the problem. See online pictures to read the plugs.

10. Are the plug(s) wet like with water or are they wet with oil? If like oil then the plugs may be oil fouled. Research what to do in this case b/c it's a whole issue of its own.

11. If plugs are wet with gas then air flow intake or exhaust must be the problem. Try a compression test. Poor compression can be caused by several things, most requiring taking the engine apart and is another issue to research.

12. Another thing to try is pull all of the plugs and inspect the plugs and the intake since the intake has to be removed. A little oil in the intake passages is normal, from the PVC system.

13. If the car tries to start but dies, consider a plugged exhaust. Try breaking the exhaust before the catalytic converters and try starting. You can remove the headers if that is easier. Just don't run the engine longer than necessary to verify you found the problem. WARNING: it will be very loud if it starts so wear hearing protection and consider your neighbors.

Beyond this checking gets a lot more complicated. Hope this helps.
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Connect a jumper cable from the negative battery lead to the ground of the starter motor.

Sounds exactly like a grounding issue i had on my Pathfinder a few years ago.
Dirty/loose battery cable connections and bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor issues are pretty common on these vehicles. Knowing what year your vehicle is would help! Early N50's could have issues with the ECM relay in the IPDM. They were recalled and you can check your VIN at Nissan's site to see if it's still open. The relay is only a couple of bucks and when they fail, the dash lights will go crazy and the engine will buck and pop or simply not start at all. Cam and crank position failures will not necessarily trigger codes when they go bad. If replacing, stick with OEM brands or genuine Nissan (Hitachi, Denso, NTK are all good, OE brands....Hitachi is likely the least expensive and you can get them all at Rockauto.com). A bad cam/crank sensor would cause a no spark condition. To rule out a fuel delivery issue, spray carb cleaner into the intake and see if the engine will fire; if it does, check the fuel pump pressure, which should be at 50 PSI. You will likely need the proper tool to release the fuel line at the fuel injection rail and the proper adapter with your fuel pressure gauge. Fuel pump failures occasionally occur, but are pretty rare, overall. The factory pump is made by Bosch and I would still with Bosch or genuine Nissan parts. The fuel temp sensor is part of the fuel sending unit, which can be replaced separately or as part of the fuel pump module.
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I'd put my money on a bad fuel temp sensor. Looks like there are several cases of that online. I would recommend cutting a fuel pump portal through the floor rather than dropping the tank. Proabably a good idea to just throw a whole new bosch unit in there. Let us know how it goes.

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Hi. I have given this a lot of thought. All attempts here at starting should be with full throttle. After 2 seconds of turning over, back off the throttle while continuing to turn over for another few seconds, then continue 2 seconds with no throttle, just to be sure. Push in the clutch pedal for all starts to reduce the load on the starter - don't use the clutch bypas switch.

If the engine starts, quickly release the throttle to avoid revving a cold engine. Never rev an engine that is below normal temperature to above 2500 rpm and idle at no more than 2000 rpm.

After a few attempts to start, smell the exhaust for raw gas or starting fluid. If no gas smell then keep fuel as the problem on your mind.

This here is what I know by memory and may vary from the Xterra manufacturing manual which has a fully detailed procedure.

Considering the car died while driving it seems more like an electrical problem than a mechanical problem. Best to keep the car jumped while starting. Keep the car battery charged. Connect a volt meter TO THE BATTERY you can watch while starting. The voltage should stay >9 volts while cranking.

0. If the voltage drops below that then replace the battery and retry starting. If it starts and runs normally then check the alternator. The voltage should be >14 volts while the engine is running (and not jumped to another battery).

1. Look at the fuses for engine control, fuel, ignition - 5 minutes to do. Check the region around the exhaust leak and make sure nothing was cooked - 5 minutes to do. Check all of the wiring under the hood for loose, burnt or rubbed/stripped wiring - 5 minutes to do. While checking, smell for burnt smells.

2. Pull the engine codes to make sure there are no others. Note the codes then clear all codes.

2a. Other possibilities are a relay is malfunctioning, a sensor is malfunctioning such as crackshaft sensor or camshaft sensor; a problem in the wiring harness, the computer is broken; the timing chain is damaged; the variable valve timing is malfunctioning. Consider either testing relays or following the mechanical tests below which will also test the relays.

The following are mechanical tests in case the electrical checks out. I assume the spark plug gap is correct and there is irridium on the center electrode.

3. Take the gas cap off and smell the gas. There should be no sweet smell, just raw gas. Sometimes it smells a little putrid.

4a. Check the radiator water levels and color, both the over flow tank and the radiator. If either are low or the water has changed color, then keep blown head gasket or oil cooler leak on your mind. If either are low then put the radiator cap back on and clamp the line to the overflow tank to minimize sucking water into the engine. Remove the clamp after testing.

5. Check the engine oil for water. It would look muddy (emolsified) unless the car has sat for awhile, then the water may settle out to the bottom of the pan. Smell the oil. It should smell like exhaust, not burnt. There should be no visible particles and no variations in the look of the oil on the dip stick.

6. Open the air filter box and prop it open then try starting. If the engine runs normally, then shut it down to avoid running with no air filtration and check the air inlet and filter are clear.

7. With the air filter box open, spray starting fluid in the inlet and try starting. Spray fluid again and try starting. If it kicks or starts then dies then fuel is likely the problem. In this case, check power to the fuel pump during starting, then check pressure. Smell the exhaust for starting fluid - it should pass through. If no smell then keep the air intake/exhaust on your mind.

8. Then check spark. If no spark, check the relay. Check the plugs you can get to: All of the ignition coils should not have failed simultaneously.

9. Pull a plug. If dry then check another plug to be sure. If dry, then fuel is likely the problem. See online pictures to read the plugs.

10. Are the plug(s) wet like with water or are they wet with oil? If like oil then the plugs may be oil fouled. Research what to do in this case b/c it's a whole issue of its own.

11. If plugs are wet with gas then air flow intake or exhaust must be the problem. Try a compression test. Poor compression can be caused by several things, most requiring taking the engine apart and is another issue to research.

12. Another thing to try is pull all of the plugs and inspect the plugs and the intake since the intake has to be removed. A little oil in the intake passages is normal, from the PVC system.

13. If the car tries to start but dies, consider a plugged exhaust. Try breaking the exhaust before the catalytic converters and try starting. You can remove the headers if that is easier. Just don't run the engine longer than necessary to verify you found the problem. WARNING: it will be very loud if it starts so wear hearing protection and consider your neighbors.

Beyond this checking gets a lot more complicated. Hope this helps.
Thanks I'll try all these things you suggested.
Connect a jumper cable from the negative battery lead to the ground of the starter motor.

Sounds exactly like a grounding issue i had on my Pathfinder a few years ago.
Turns over just fine. Just won't fire.
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Dirty/loose battery cable connections and bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor issues are pretty common on these vehicles. Knowing what year your vehicle is would help! Early N50's could have issues with the ECM relay in the IPDM. They were recalled and you can check your VIN at Nissan's site to see if it's still open. The relay is only a couple of bucks and when they fail, the dash lights will go crazy and the engine will buck and pop or simply not start at all. Cam and crank position failures will not necessarily trigger codes when they go bad. If replacing, stick with OEM brands or genuine Nissan (Hitachi, Denso, NTK are all good, OE brands....Hitachi is likely the least expensive and you can get them all at Rockauto.com). A bad cam/crank sensor would cause a no spark condition. To rule out a fuel delivery issue, spray carb cleaner into the intake and see if the engine will fire; if it does, check the fuel pump pressure, which should be at 50 PSI. You will likely need the proper tool to release the fuel line at the fuel injection rail and the proper adapter with your fuel pressure gauge. Fuel pump failures occasionally occur, but are pretty rare, overall. The factory pump is made by Bosch and I would still with Bosch or genuine Nissan parts. The fuel temp sensor is part of the fuel sending unit, which can be replaced separately or as part of the fuel pump module.
It's an 07. I gave it a shot of ether and nothing at all. Thinking ipdm or cam/crank sensors.
Turns over just fine. Just won't fire.
If you're getting a crank-no-start, but it's trying to fire up, then it might be your fuel pump. You can try cracking the schrader valve on the fuel rail while cranking it to verify if you have fuel pressure. Or you can try spraying a little starting fluid in the throttle body while cranking. If it fires up that way, even for a short time, it could be fuel, or fuel pump related.

If you're getting a crank-no-start condition with zero signs of firing (it just cranks and cranks, as if you have no fuel), I immediately suspect a cam/crank sensor, or an IPDM. Cam sensors seem to go out frequently, and are considered by many here to be preventative maintenance. IPDMs for 05-09's (even some '10's) should also be considered preventative maintenance. If you have a white one, I recommend swapping it for a black one from a 2010+. Doesn't matter if it's from a Frontier, Titan, Aramada or Pathfinder, they're all the same - regardless of what the dealership's computer, or online databases will tell you.

I've researched IPDM's to death. Start reading at page 2 here: Which IPDM to Buy??

Unfortunately, there's no good way to verify the cam/crank sensors, or the IPDM are bad. They can fail intermittently without throwing a check engine light or code. If your Xterra is an 09 or older, I recommend replacing both cam sensors, crank sensor and your IPDM.
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Three notes to some of the other's comments: (1) A bad fuel temp sensor will not cause an engine running or starting issue. (2) VQ40DE engines (nor any VQ engine that I can think of) do not have a Schrader valve on the fuel rail. (3) Spraying carb cleaner into the intake manifold to see if it'll start is a lot safer than using starting fluid as it is less volatile.
Three notes to some of the other's comments: (1) A bad fuel temp sensor will not cause an engine running or starting issue. (2) VQ40DE engines (nor any VQ engine that I can think of) do not have a Schrader valve on the fuel rail. (3) Spraying carb cleaner into the intake manifold to see if it'll start is a lot safer than using starting fluid as it is less volatile.
Thanks for that. I was wondering if it would cause a no start. I found an ipdm at a wrecker. Next I'll swap out the cam and crank sensors.

All I had on hand was starting fluid.
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