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Getting something looked at tomorrow and my service guy is going to try the advance. I'll let you know butt dyno results tomorrow afternoon.
 

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Sweet! I would also like to know what the outcome is.
 

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If you can. Drive it around. Then turn the x off for a few mins and start it back up. Then check and see if the timing has stuck. For the 02 and 03 maxima's' when we did the timing advance over on the org is reported that a lot of times it did not stick. For me it stuck after the second time doing it.
 

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I just spoke with my dealer and they deny it can be done. Service manager said the computer will notice the difference and adjust timing back with a day or so :angryfire:

I'm gonna try to find a local shop with a consult 2 and give it a shot anyway.
 

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Grrr... i really want to do this im going to ask my dealer tomorrow.
 

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TIMING ADVANCE COMPLETE/SHOULD NOT REVERT

Got it done today. I can tell a difference. Similar to my titan, It's quicker out of the hole and feels like it pulls harder (I was surpised to see I made it to 60-70 mph as fast as I did when I entered the interstate) It was advanced 2 degrees and the tech swears up and down it will not revert back. The consult device set the timing + 2 degrees. It would take the consult to lower it or disconnetion of the battery for a period of time. (see below that was posted on the titan site). Well worth the 32 pesos of labor

There have been several questions lately on the timing reverting back after getting the 2* advance. This is not true!!! The timing will hold as long as you do not unplug your battery for any length of time. NIssan claims 24 hours, I have found it to be much much less. When I did my header install, I lost all programming that I had done and I had it unplugged for about 6 hours.

This will NOT void the warranty. It is within factory specs and is being programmed by the consult. The only scrutiny that can happen when it comes to consult programming is with the tech's certification. Since this is not involving a repair, you do not need to worry about this, so I will not go into detail.

When you program the truck with the Consult, whatever you program the consult to tell the ECM WILL stick as long as the consult and ECM "agree" that it is safe. I repeat, the consult and ECM will NOT allow you to do anything unsafe OR outside of the factory parameters. Example, if your stock timing is 15* and you try to program 20*, it will not take it. Even though the factory tolerance is 15* +/- 5*, it will only allow an adjustment of 2*. Meaning, you can take it from 15 to 17, no more.

If the service department that you are going to says it cannot be done or it will not stick or it will void the warranty, find somewhere else to go.
 

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Thats a bummer about it reverting when the battery is disconnected for a time. I have to disconnect my battery relatively often when I do wiring, I certainly would not want to loose the settings. Its a shame, we dont know exactly how long it takes to revert back. When I installed my grounding kit I know the ECU reset because my gas mileage went up significantly, and the battery was only disconnected for about and hour and a half.
 

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Thats a bummer about it reverting when the battery is disconnected for a time. I have to disconnect my battery relatively often when I do wiring, I certainly would not want to loose the settings. Its a shame, we dont know exactly how long it takes to revert back. When I installed my grounding kit I know the ECU reset because my gas mileage went up significantly, and the battery was only disconnected for about and hour and a half.
Ho Ho Ho HO HOOOO! Did I hear Grounding kit? As in High Performance Grounding kit? As in the kind that reduces loss and drag from alternator and thus Up's the HP? Did I hear that? If I did I really really need a link and some pictures! Man! I hope I hope I hope! MC
 

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stevet47 said:
Thats a bummer about it reverting when the battery is disconnected for a time. I have to disconnect my battery relatively often when I do wiring, I certainly would not want to loose the settings. Its a shame, we dont know exactly how long it takes to revert back. When I installed my grounding kit I know the ECU reset because my gas mileage went up significantly, and the battery was only disconnected for about and hour and a half.
Ho Ho Ho HO HOOOO! Did I hear Grounding kit? As in High Performance Grounding kit? As in the kind that reduces loss and drag from alternator and thus Up's the HP? Did I hear that? If I did I really really need a link and some pictures! Man! I hope I hope I hope! MC

LOL, I installed it because I wanted better grounds for my electrical stuff. I didn't expect any added HP, and I didn't get any either. Some people say their gas mileage improved, but I think that is pretty much in their heads (I thought mine improved, but it was just due to resetting the ECU).

There are 3 options, Stillen's which includes 5 4ga wires and cost $129, Active Tuning, which includes 4 wires for $79 or the one off ebay, which I bought, which includes 7 4ga wires and cost me $12 including shipping (it looks like shipping has since gone up significantly since I bought it).

I got one like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-EARTH-GROUNDING-GROUND-WIRES-SYSTEM-KIT-MAZDA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33691QQihZ004QQitemZ140077824132QQrdZ1
It doesnt matter what brand it says its for, they are all the same. Also, you only use the wires, none of the other crap that comes with it.

Here is a write-up on how to install it on a 05+ Frontier, though it should be identical to an X. If you use the mounting points that they use with the length wires they tell you, it all comes out perfectly, with no excess slack or anything. It is the way I did it, and it worked perfectly.
http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3216&d=1159328074
-- OK, so after looking at the write-up, it looks like the first sentence that said which length of wire to use for the first 2 point points got messed up some how, There are only 7 wires though, so I'm sure you can figure out which 2 to use.
 

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Re: TIMING ADVANCE COMPLETE/SHOULD NOT REVERT

Devildog said:
Got it done today. I can tell a difference. Similar to my titan, It's quicker out of the hole and feels like it pulls harder (I was surpised to see I made it to 60-70 mph as fast as I did when I entered the interstate) It was advanced 2 degrees and the tech swears up and down it will not revert back. The consult device set the timing + 2 degrees. It would take the consult to lower it or disconnetion of the battery for a period of time. (see below that was posted on the titan site). Well worth the 32 pesos of labor

There have been several questions lately on the timing reverting back after getting the 2* advance. This is not true!!! The timing will hold as long as you do not unplug your battery for any length of time. NIssan claims 24 hours, I have found it to be much much less. When I did my header install, I lost all programming that I had done and I had it unplugged for about 6 hours.

This will NOT void the warranty. It is within factory specs and is being programmed by the consult. The only scrutiny that can happen when it comes to consult programming is with the tech's certification. Since this is not involving a repair, you do not need to worry about this, so I will not go into detail.

When you program the truck with the Consult, whatever you program the consult to tell the ECM WILL stick as long as the consult and ECM "agree" that it is safe. I repeat, the consult and ECM will NOT allow you to do anything unsafe OR outside of the factory parameters. Example, if your stock timing is 15* and you try to program 20*, it will not take it. Even though the factory tolerance is 15* +/- 5*, it will only allow an adjustment of 2*. Meaning, you can take it from 15 to 17, no more.

If the service department that you are going to says it cannot be done or it will not stick or it will void the warranty, find somewhere else to go.
Good news!!! so if i have them do this i will defiantly feel a difference. I don't want to ask them to do it and then have them not do it or not do it right.
 

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Re: TIMING ADVANCE COMPLETE/SHOULD NOT REVERT

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Devildog said:
Got it done today. I can tell a difference. Similar to my titan, It's quicker out of the hole and feels like it pulls harder (I was surpised to see I made it to 60-70 mph as fast as I did when I entered the interstate) It was advanced 2 degrees and the tech swears up and down it will not revert back. The consult device set the timing + 2 degrees. It would take the consult to lower it or disconnetion of the battery for a period of time. (see below that was posted on the titan site). Well worth the 32 pesos of labor

There have been several questions lately on the timing reverting back after getting the 2* advance. This is not true!!! The timing will hold as long as you do not unplug your battery for any length of time. NIssan claims 24 hours, I have found it to be much much less. When I did my header install, I lost all programming that I had done and I had it unplugged for about 6 hours.

This will NOT void the warranty. It is within factory specs and is being programmed by the consult. The only scrutiny that can happen when it comes to consult programming is with the tech's certification. Since this is not involving a repair, you do not need to worry about this, so I will not go into detail.

When you program the truck with the Consult, whatever you program the consult to tell the ECM WILL stick as long as the consult and ECM "agree" that it is safe. I repeat, the consult and ECM will NOT allow you to do anything unsafe OR outside of the factory parameters. Example, if your stock timing is 15* and you try to program 20*, it will not take it. Even though the factory tolerance is 15* +/- 5*, it will only allow an adjustment of 2*. Meaning, you can take it from 15 to 17, no more.

If the service department that you are going to says it cannot be done or it will not stick or it will void the warranty, find somewhere else to go.
Good news!!! so if i have them do this i will defiantly feel a difference. I don't want to ask them to do it and then have them not do it or not do it right.
They can't F it up if they use their consult computer programmer deal. Make them print you out the results of the reprogram. Also make sure they adjust your engine timing.
It worth it

Todd
 

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A grounding kit isn't a bad thing to have, I noticed little things working slightly better when I added it, I think it helps the electrical system out a good bit too.
 

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Will this advance affect gas millage in a good way or a bad way?
 

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Well just tried to get it done at my dealer. They said that it is not worth it and if i got it done "i would come back down to have it readjusted when they change the gas over because it would ping."??? They were going to charge me 90$ so i said uhhhh no. So I'm going to try my luck at a different dealer.
 

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Well just tried to get it done at my dealer. They said that it is not worth it and if i got it done "i would come back down to have it readjusted when they change the gas over because it would ping."??? They were going to charge me 90$ so i said uhhhh no. So I'm going to try my luck at a different dealer.
Nonsense. They're lazy
 

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Well finally got a dealer down in the OC to do it. ( Down visiting) And wow. I can believe the pep i have now. I love it and very happy with the adjustment.
 
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