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It has Been 16 Years...

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A lot has happened & a lot has changed. Somehow, I am still here, and so are you.

I often reminisce of the early 2ndGen days. Although Rugged Rocks started on older Nissans in 2006, the 2ndGen saga holds a special time in history. This forum was running rampant and could have easily been mistaken for a real-time live chat. Refresh, & respond. Everyone was trying to figure out how to build these things. NissTec didn't exist. Neither did All Dogs or Xterra Performance. The 'Titan-swap' had just been discovered and PRG was just starting to crank out kits. 4x4 Parts was selling stuff but always seemed to be in the background... Not social at all, but always watching and making moves. RC hadn't touched these trucks, neither had Dirt King, Pro Comp or any other big box brand. Even Yukon Gear & Axle wouldn't touch Nissans with a 10ft pole. With the exception of FabTech. They had a 6" Frontier Kit that was just as questionable then as it is today. It does the job of lifting but not without compromise.

I was working with ARB on Lockers, Advance Adapters, Superior Axle & Gear, Doug Thorley, RCV, and many others. I was in the thick of everything that didn't have to do with Coilovers or control arms. I left those customers to Greg. He left the Gears and Locker customers to me.

A few years later, NissTec was on the scene and growing quickly. Very focused on suspension and other popular accessories. I've got to tell you; Chris did a heck of a job coming in hot offering quality setups that appealed to the masses beyond PRG's focus. If you want to go fast in the desert, Greg @ PRG is your guy. But I believe that the NissTec Kits are appealing to a larger majority. The SPC control arms are a solid selling point, using a Ball Joint instead of a Uniball which has a more universal use case... Overlanding and harsh weather environments. Both NissTec & PRG sell Radflos but they aren't built the same. Greg has the best shock tune in the industry for Nissans. (Sorry Chris)

By 2009, my efforts with ARB were starting to materialize & the first M226 Locker was test fitted, installed and made available.

By 2012, The first M205 Gears were here. A project made possible by me working with Superior Axle and Gear and you guys backing up. They needed proof of demand, and you guys blew up their phone... To the point where they couldn't do anything else and had to tell you guys to give them some breathing room. These were the first M205 Gears to market. A couple years later, the owner of Superior dealt with a difficult series of events that lead to an abrupt closing of the company. Manufacturing contacts were handed off to me and M205 Gears are still cut by the same Gear Manufacturing Facility to this day.

Around the same time that the M205 Gears were landing, I was working on the M205 ARB Locker and after the project getting deprioritized repeatedly at ARB, they too were asking for proof of demand. This time it was huge. ARB required an order for 50 Lockers for this to become top priority. You guys came through again by helping spread the word across all the Nissan Forums and Social Media Sites. I told the Magazines & wrote newsletters repeatedly. A few weeks later we started taking deposits. A few weeks later we were a little short on qty, but I ordered extra for the shelf and ARB helped bend the rules a little bit. 6 Months later they landed and were shipping. I had worked a 6-month exclusivity on these Lockers to help keep other companies from riding the coattails of the work I put in, (a common problem with one, which apparently was not happy about this exclusivity agreement). All 50 from the first ordered were sold within a few weeks of them arriving. For the first time, Xterras and Frontiers were able to be Titan-swapped, Locked Front & Rear and Regeared. These have been in production ever since and now available throughout their distribution network.

At this time, my phone was ringing off the hook 12 hours a day and this small business was finally turning into something sustainable. But I was exhausted, unhealthy and any new hires were worthless. I went back to running things solo.

By 2013, It became time to have more M205 Gears manufactured, but it turned out that another company traced down the Gear Plant and made a long-term exclusivity agreement on 'My' Gears that I worked on with Superior. They were briefly out of reach... WoW. After jumping through some hoops, I was able to get my hands on them again but not without a significant price increase which to this day I have not passed on to the retail price. That part had essentially become a loss leader. A step backwards after all this effort.
My Pathfinder had been well published in a few magazines and won one of the Top Trucks of the Year in Off-road Magazine for 2013, (Jan 2014 issue).

By 2016, Solid Axle Swaps, (SAS), were becoming a bit more in focus in the 2ndGen world which is around when the CRWMXXS build was done. RCV IFS Axle Shafts were in production, Doug Thorley Headers were made available, and a handful of 2ndGens were running Atlas Transfer Cases.
I believe NissTec bought Xterra Performance around this time. The Nissan Nation Podcast was also running strong which I was a guest on a few times. I would later also be on a few other Podcasts such as the 4x4Podcast & The Offroad Podcast. I was always trying to bring more Nissan wheeling awareness to the greater Off-Road Industry.

Yukon Gear reached out to me regarding making M205 Gears, they asked some questions about them and I thought we would work together getting them out. Instead, they released them a few years later on their own, and apparently, they don't work with an ARB Locker. Buyer Beware MY understanding is that Yukon was also bought out by an investment group and made changes to their manufacturing and therefore quality. You can even buy their stuff through AutoZone. If you really want to get Yukon Gears for your Nissan for some reason, just go to AutoZone, they are way cheaper than anyone else selling them in the Nissan circles too. For example, here is the 3.73 M205 Gearset on the AutoZone website (https://www.autozone.com/powertrain...differential-ring-and-pinion-24701/713100_0_0) But I highly don't recommend their product. But if you insist... at least ask me for my AutoZone affiliate link! :)

Revolution Gear was a new Gear Brand starting up using top notch manufacturing facility that is high in demand and wasn't taking any more clients... But Revolution was in. I worked with them on reinventing the wheel on a few things and run their gears where I can. In case you were wondering, the Gear Package with the highest quality cut gears on the market is the 4.10 Gear Package that I offer through Rugged Rocks.

Nitro is also selling some Nissan stuff, but they fall short on a few parts, others they get from me.

By 2017, I came to terms with SAS Builds being too demanding of projects to be profitable, and many people were already getting sticker shock... Even after stripping out as much margin as I possibly could. I started dabbling with IFS parts... Like some UCA's that offer more droop than any other using a Ball-joint, and a high quality 4-leaf Add-a-Leaf Kit that holds over many years and doesn't crack. But the jig for making the UCA's was in the RR Pathfinder when it was stolen, never to be seen again, (I got the truck back though). With the amount of work, it took to get the jig right, and how questionable the demand was, we let that project go the way of the dodo. The 4-leaf Add-a-Leafs were awesome, few bought them and only 11 sets exist. I still run the prototype UCA's and Add-a-Leafs on my Xterra.

I also had extended R180 Axle Shafts made for Titan-swap use. They were made of Chromoly and were almost half the cost of the Sway-a-way Shafts. They sold OK at first but other cheaper Non-chromoly Shafts were favored among Nissans owners. Overall, sales were slowing down with people favoring lesser quality cheaper parts.

By 2019, I still found myself on the phone answering tech calls all day and sales had slowed even further. It turns out that a lot of people were using me like a Nissan encyclopedia. In some cases, I would spend hours on the phone with a customer to be told at the end that they would buy the parts from their friend that works for 4-wheel Parts or order them up on Amazon. Nothing upset me more. A therapist once told me I needed to start charging a Consulting Fee. I knew that wouldn't fly in this market. I think All Dogs opened around this time. I thought it was odd that another company was coming in to play in a small pond... I still do, but hey... join the rumble, I guess.

With my personal life on the rocks, (no pun intended), I was wrapping up a divorce and was ready to pull the plug on Rugged Rocks. I disabled checkout on the website and made the announcement. All of a sudden, I was bombarded with people wanting to order Gears, lots and lots of Gears. I was being begged to get an order in. One exception after another over the course of a few weeks... I was silently fully open and ended up restructuring the product offerings, (disabling small margin hard to get parts), and focusing on taking better care of myself.

By 2020, I cleaned house a bit and blew out the remaining R180 Extended Axle Shafts for a smok'in deal. I was primarily focused on living life for a little bit... Which really meant seeing the light of day, going for the occasional job, and not Pigeon-holing myself into the office and keep phone calls short. I was also spending more time working on Rugged Routes.

I was still selling quite a few parts. My dad unexpectedly passed at the age of 59 on July 6th. I was unexpectedly on a super thin skeleton schedule only filling orders and communication was sparse. It went on like this for about a month. If you've never had someone in your family pass away, it's absolutely terrible on so many levels. on top of grieving, dealing with family stuff, trying to get a funeral together and run a business.... It was a mess. Top it off, a few people posted on the forums complaining about my lack of communication during that time... It was rough.

Ultimately, I got all caught up, and COVID has put an interesting twist on the world with crazy parts shortages.

Now in 2022,
COVID parts shortages have just about all been solved. I have moved and I'm back in a life situation where I have healthy flexibility in my schedule while able to run full long comfortable days. But the phone is still quiet, and most phone calls are less than 10minutes, 15 tops. Once in a while I end up in long conversations. I'm easier to get a hold of than I have been in many years. It's been this way since January of 2021 and holding steady.

I have even worked with ARB to release the Front Air-locker for the 2020+ Frontier. It took quite a bit of homework, and there is one running around in Colorado. It is in fact available and has been for the last 6 months or so. As of today, I have sold exactly zero of them! Strange.

Moving forward in the Nissan space I'm willing to further help develop parts where it makes sense. I was even recently approached by another Locker Manufacture to help release some Nissan stuff in the near future, Stay Tuned! However, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel making cheaper and cheaper knockoff versions of good parts that we already have. This niche market is hard enough to be in, and I'm not interested in racing to the bottom. You may find similar products to what I offer, on other websites for a few bucks cheaper. I'm convinced they are trying to play pricing games... But I'm not playing. I know what I'm selling and have the knowledge to back it up. The short of it is, when you shop with me you get my support. I have had my head wrapped around these things for well over a decade and am the guy that parts manufactures call when they get stumped on a Nissan product.

Over the years, I have fought tooth and nail, not to just bring things to market, but to keep them off of the chopping block and in production, (Gears, Atlas Adapters and Headers especially)! I've always been a techy guy, people always had questions, and I've loved answering them... I loved the puzzle. These days it's all been solved, so I encourage you all to SEARCH the forums. But of course, if you're stumped on a part that you got from me, give me a ring. I'm happy to help.

These days, I'm typically man of fewer words. I suppose I got tired of correcting people on the forums and facebook when the help wasn't asked for. I can't stand watching botched builds on facebook. I bailed on all the facebook groups. Wrong info floating around drives me insane... But these days I don't go out of my way trying to help people... You know where to find me. It's been 16 years and I'm still here.

In the end, we all love our trucks, the outdoors, and the people we get to enjoy it all with. On this journey, I encourage all of you to not forget the people that helped make the quality parts in this small niche industry happen, in turn making your adventures possible. Please know that your business is greatly appreciated by us all. And try to keep an eye out for those vendors that are selling you "Cheap Reinvented Junk" or playing pricing games undercutting the guys that did the hard work.

In the long run, cheaper is seldom cheaper. I'll give it to you straight.

And last but not least, make sure you call the place you bought your parts from for tech support. Even if it's Amazon ;)

I hope to See you on the Trails...
-Steven
Rugged Rocks Off Road
Rugged Routes

P.S.
Lately, Chris @ NissTec, Kyle @ P&P, Nestor @ Shaddow wolf and myself have all been in touch regarding some racing that will be happening at King of the Hammers 2023. Things are about to get amped up, really interesting, and fun! Hopefully we can bring video footage to the web.
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I was recently interviewed on the Converstions with Big Rich podcast.
For those of you that don't know whoBig Rich is, he runs 4 Low Magazine, runs the W.E. Rock rock crawling organization and I believe his son runs Trail Hero at Sand Hollow. They are tied into the bigger off road industry outiside of the nissan circles.
The podcast has a bit of history on me and RR that you might find interesting.
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As I read this I started to anticipate an announcement of closing at the end. I'm glad thats not the case. It was a good read! I entered the scene I believe right when your gears were first coming out. I remember all the chatter and activity around that vividly. This forum was bustling back then. You helped me out with some bearing issues when I was completely stuck with no where to turn, you offered your time without hesitation or pressure. And it left an impression. RR has been at the top of my list when searching for parts ever since.

Thank you for everything you've done for the Nissan scene! These darn Nissans are a cornerstone in many of our lives whether we want to admit it or not.
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Ok I have never heavily modified my xterras to the extent many have but I believe I have indirectly benefitted by those that have and those sort of businesses. The dedication to the hobby and supporting businesses have helped keep the xterra platform alive and has provided alit of knowledge helpful in maintaining even a non or slightly modified xterra going. Thank you.
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GREAT READ - as I read this it brought back a lot of memories, as I too have been here since 2006...

Now a Sticky - For its Historical Value !
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RR has graced my X with 4.10s, an M205 front locker, and an Odyssey Extreme battery. Nothing has exploded yet over the last 4 years. Good enough for me! Thanks for the fun read/history lesson!
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Thanks for you time and dedication to this community. Individuals such as yourself give many of us the ability to develop an enjoyable addiction!!
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I am happy this was not going where I thought it was going. I always felt that your website was weird and not updated with active products, but now I see why. You are more focused on R&D and selling of specific parts than all the other stuff everyone else is selling. Nice to see you all still around.
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I am happy this was not going where I thought it was going. I always felt that your website was weird and not updated with active products, but now I see why. You are more focused on R&D and selling of specific parts than all the other stuff everyone else is selling. Nice to see you all still around.
I used to sell everything listed but I had to simplify what was available for my sanity. Many of those unavailable parts are hard to get, slow movers, and have thin profit margins.. I was killing myself just trying to keep people happy which seemed impossible prior to this.

It was really for the best.
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I have had a few beers with Steevo.
I have been a guinea pig on many parts that ALL of these vendors offer.
bought the rig in 2005, still going strong.
Steevo is the real deal.
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Found a motto that applies to Steevo.

Never Start a Business Just to
Make Money
Start a Business to Make a
Difference
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Found a motto that applies to Steevo.

Never Start a Business Just to
Make Money
Start a Business to Make a
Difference
...which begs the question.
Is there more of a difference to be made in this space? Or is my main work here considered done?
Done! Hell No... You're a Master at your craft and I can't fathom the idea of you discontinue coming up with these great ideas.
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Thanks for supporting the Nissan community! It has been fun seeing all the support in a relatively niche market. But I still get excited when I see a built rig driving down the freeway since they are so much more unusual. It takes the owners time and money to get the vehicle to a decent platform and this forum and vendors have always been helpful for those willing to do a little homework and planning. I hope the community continues to grow.
I've really enjoyed building new things in this small world, but I'm not sure what else I have to offer other than just continuing to sell the same old stuff... It's pretty hard to make a living that way too.


I was really pursprised when the ARB front lockers for the 2020+ frontiers get basically no reaction and zero sales.

I'm just not really sure what new,fun,exciting, thing I can do in this space. I feel like we've hit the end end of the development phase.. we have great parts available.. anything new would be be a cheap knockoff of what already works in a small market.

I'm still here, and not going anywhere, but things aren't as exciting as they used to be.
Well hopefully you find something to light that fire again. For me it was selling my 2006 "S" Xterra...
Well hopefully you find something to light that fire again. For me it was selling my 2006 "S" Xterra...
Its not about not being able to light the fire... its not having anything to burn.
2nd gens:
Moded ✅
3rd gen frontiers... not much to do. And seems there isn't much / any interest.
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From: Steven at Rugged Rocks

A huge thank you to all of those that responded to last week's e-mail. I feel like the responses really helped me get a more solid idea what things are looking like in the Nissan world. In short, there are still a ton of passionate Nissan owners out there. However, the vast majority are well built and have little left or desired for upgrades. The rest of the responses are from people who have moved on to some other really cool projects such as old Land Rovers, Toyotas, Jeeps, UTV's etc...

So, what does that mean for me? A few things. I have some great relationships with a handful of companies in the industry that offer parts way beyond Nissans. You will start to see the product offering on the Rugged Rocks website start to expand within those familiar and reputable brands. These are brands such as ARB, Revolution Gear and Axle, Sierra Gear and Axle, Advance Adapters, Doug Thorley Headers, Sway a Way, & DC Power Engineering Alternators.

I know that the market for common applications can be extremely competitive within these brands, but I'm sure in some cases I can still be worth shopping with, so stay in touch.

Furthermore, I'll be further diving in and focusing on ventures related to off road navigation. Something that many of you might be interested in. As part of this further transition, I'll be migrating my Rugged Routes YouTube channel away from boring (yet very helpful) desk based Lowrance GPS tutorials. Instead, I'll be bringing my viewers with me on my off-road adventures for a behind the scenes look at how my maps are made, the things that happen along the way (like getting lost or stuck or both), as well as showing various tip n tricks on the Lowrance navigation units (among other 4x4 knowledge). It's likely to get interesting as it's not scripted beyond the locations, and I'll be on the trail with various friends (or even just the pup!) in vehicles ranging from 4x4's to UTV's.

In all honestly, the first few trail videos probably won't be contenders for winning an Oscar, but I'm sure they will have a mix of entertainment with education and will improve as time goes on.
That being said, I would really appreciate it if you shared the Rugged Routes YouTube channel with your off-road friends. Maybe even consider sharing this e-mail so they know what to expect, especially if you're from the Nissan circles.

Share the Rugged Routes YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/Ruggedroutesmaps?sub confirmation=1 Subscribing would also be much appreciated and doesn't cost you anything.

Not only do I have maps coming together, I have some really useful devices that add to the functionality of Lowrance GPS units. Some of these projects have been in the works for quite some time but things are shaping up as I reflect and pivot in response to my biggest hurdles of 2022.

Last, I want to thank you for taking the time to read my e-mails. It can take a lot for me to quiet my brain long enough to type this many words in, what seems to me to be, a series of complete thoughts. I truly enjoy chatting with you all when I can and appreciate you all taking action in response to these e-mails. I hope to see you on the trail in 2023.

Happy Holidays!
-Steven Lutz
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Thanks for you time and dedication to this community. Individuals such as yourself give many of us the ability to develop an enjoyable addiction!!
Agreed!
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