[EMT760]

Considering to upgrade my battery to something better after I discovered its leaking. I found a AGM battery with 640 CCA at Orileys ( super start brand).

I also just got a Warn 10-S Evo

I know Warn recommends CCA 650 per 12,000 lbs. Do you generally want to exceed the minimum requirement? I know the battery I found falls short 10 CCA. Just wondering if I should consider a Optima or something?

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Per Warn for the 10-S Evo

MAX AMP DRAW/ LINE PULL358 Amps/10,000 lbs.

 

[87iroc]

Superwinch recommended a 750 CCA battery for my 9500 lb winch(may be a generic spec).

Avoid parts store batteries. They usually have a huge markup(I suspect to cover their huge warranties). A 165 dollar battery at a parts store is 115 at Menards or Rural King. I buy mine at Rural King(think Tractor Supply or farm store) or Menards(lumber yard here that has a grocery section , toy section, automotive sectin, etc)

 

[Just a Hunter]

When the 2nd Gen Xterras were initially released in the US, they were sold with a 24F battery installed . At some point later, Nissan began installing a much small 35 series battery into the xterra. A common upgrade for anyone which is planning to install electrical upgrades (lights,radio,winch etc ) is to install quality 24F battery.

 

[Mr. Bills]

The O'Reilly Superstart Platinum AGM battery would be a better choice than the flooded lead acid Super Start. It is identical to the Deka/East Penn Intimidator battery, which is highly regarded. It is also the identical battery as the NAPA Legend Premium AGM. The 24F has 710 CCA, 825 CA, 110 min. reserve capacity. $239.99 [There is no reason to avoid parts store or private label batteries IF one can verify the manufacturer and model. Sometimes ease of warranty service trumps brand name.]

There are two primary reasons to use an AGM battery in an offroad vehicle: (1) no acid leaks in the event of an accident or rollover; and (2) better resistance to vibration and shock than a conventional flooded lead acid battery.

If you don't want to spend the money for an AGM battery, one of the very best buys is the Costco Interstate 24F. It is identical to the Interstate MTP-24F flooded lead acid battery at the Interstate store, but for less money with a better warranty. 700 CCA, 825 CA, 130 min. reserve capacity/ $109.99. I use one in my Xterra.

 

[campisi]

I don't get it ... why bother stuffing the bigger 24 battery in there when you can get similar or better specs from a 34R?
Napa Legend AGM 34R 750 CCA, 860 CA, 120min reserve, 42.5lbs - $239?

 

[Just a Hunter]

Re 34R.

Are the post oriented correctly for our cable lengths?

 

[campisi]

Yes. I have a 34R PC1500T Odyssey AGM in my X. More expensive but has 850CCA, 135 min reserve capacity. Weighs 49lbs though. I've had mine for 4 years now but I do give it a supplementary charge in my garage once a month.
I just installed a winch last week. Hoping it's still got enough capacity ...

 

[EMT760]

The O'Reilly Superstart Platinum AGM battery would be a better choice than the flooded lead acid Super Start. It is identical to the Deka/East Penn Intimidator battery, which is highly regarded. It is also the identical battery as the NAPA Legend Premium AGM. The 24F has 710 CCA, 825 CA, 110 min. reserve capacity. $239.99 [There is no reason to avoid parts store or private label batteries IF one can verify the manufacturer and model. Sometimes ease of warranty service trumps brand name.]

There are two primary reasons to use an AGM battery in an offroad vehicle: (1) no acid leaks in the event of an accident or rollover; and (2) better resistance to vibration and shock than a conventional flooded lead acid battery.

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If you don't want to spend the money for an AGM battery, one of the very best buys is the Costco Interstate 24F. It is identical to the Interstate MTP-24F flooded lead acid battery at the Interstate store, but for less money with a better warranty. 700 CCA, 825 CA, 130 min. reserve capacity/ $109.99. I use one in my Xterra.

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Thanks for the reply.! Do you think a Deep Cycle is needed in my application? Or would a standard battery with the engine running and alternator suffice?

 

[SonomaX]

@EMT760 I'm in a similar situation. I'm looking at the same winch but my start battery is a standard lead acid from autozone. Says 685cca @ 32F and 550 @ 0F. I'm wondering if there is any need to upgrade to an AGM especially since the consensus seems that our alternators can't fully charge them and most people run a battery tender once a month to keep them maintained. Someone correct me if I'm wrong there but that's what I've gathered from posts on here.

 

[Ssanders224]

This is being over-thought.

Put a higher performance 34R or decent 24F in your truck, always winch with the truck running, and you’ll be fine.

I have a two year old 24 Super Start Extreme (Oreilys) lead acid battery in my truck (725cca 120rc) and made half a dozen good pulls with a 9500lb last weekend while on a 3 day off-road trip. Didn’t skip a beat. I’ll add that that battery has never leaked at all, and doesn’t corrode around the posts at all. It’s been fantastic. I do leave a NOCO maintainer on it when not in use, as it isn’t my DD.

 

[Just a Hunter]

My first (Autozone)24F agm battery lasted 4+ years and my current battery of the same is two years old.

Neither of these batteries received any charging other than what the alternator provided.

 

[Mr. Bills]

I don't get it ... why bother stuffing the bigger 24 battery in there when you can get similar or better specs from a 34R?
Napa Legend AGM 34R 750 CCA, 860 CA, 120min reserve, 42.5lbs - $239?

They are six of one, half dozen of the other.

My Xterra came with a 24F, so I replaced it with a 24F. I never saw any real advantage to switching to a slightly smaller case just because it was slightly smaller. There is no meaningful difference in the specifications.

If I had started with a 34R I probably would have replaced it with the same size as well.

 

[campisi]

Ok, makes sense. I thought the idea was that the 24F was an upgrade in electrical output.

The only reason I have that AGM is because I have a fridge and wanted to be able to run it down and not have it die on me the way lead acid would. Ive, sadly run the Odyssey down to the point where it wouldn't start the truck 4 or 5 times over its life and it's come back every time. Carry two lithium jumpstarters for that situation.
If not for the above I'd just have a good lead acid and call it a day. Even with a winch.

 

[Mr. Bills]

Do you think a Deep Cycle is needed in my application? Or would a standard battery with the engine running and alternator suffice?

No, you do not need a deep cycle battery, nor do you need an expensive dual battery system.

Deep cycle batteries do not make particularly good starting batteries, however, your starting battery will power your winch long enough for almost all weekend warrior recoveries and the only harm vs using a deep cycle battery will be that a starting battery does not have as many charge cycles in it as a deep cycle battery, and a starting battery doesn't react as well to deep discharges.

I do not consider those to be significant factors against using a starting battery to power a winch. Its not that big a big deal if it doesn't last quite as long, just replace the battery. That will still be cheaper and less trouble than the alternatives.

 

[Mr. Bills]

@EMT760 . . . I'm wondering if there is any need to upgrade to an AGM . . . .

AGMs don't power winches any better than flooded lead acid batteries. (You might be conflating AGM with deep cycle.)

The reasons to use an AGM are to eliminate the possibility of acid leaks and a slight increase in resistance to shock and vibration.

 

[Mr. Bills]

. . . Put a higher performance 34R or decent 24F in your truck, always winch with the truck running, and you’ll be fine.

Agreed, with the possible exception of a "high performance" 34R. Any quality 24R or 34R will be fine, whether conventional flooded lead acid or AGM.

Nothing special is required for 95% of recreational offroaders as long as the battery has the CCA and CA ratings recommended by the vehicle manufacturer and the winch manufacturer.

 

[Ssanders224]

Agreed, with the possible exception of a "high performance" 34R. Any quality 24R or 34R will be fine, whether conventional flooded lead acid or AGM.

Nothing special is required for 95% of recreational offroaders as long as the battery has the CCA and CA ratings recommended by the vehicle manufacturer and the winch manufacturer.

Indeed.
My use of “high performance” to communicate “don’t buy junk” was probably a bit overstated.

“Quality” would have sufficed.

 

[Just a Hunter]

Ok, makes sense. I thought the idea was that the 24F was an upgrade in electrical output.

The recommended batter for my 2014 Xterra was a 35 where as earlier Xterras came with a 24F.

Between these two oem sized batteries, you can see there was a benefit in my upgrading to the 24f.
Ps: I would have posted specs on Autozone batteries, however the platinum version of the 24 f is an EFB battery rather than an AGM. To keep this comparison equal, it was simply easier for me to do such with an Oreilley branded battery.

Oreilley Auto AGM size 35

• Cold Cranking Amps (CCA): 640 CCA
• Cranking Amps (CA): 755 CA
• Group Size (BCI): 35/85
• Reserve Capacity (min): 100 Minute

Specs on the same battery in 24F

• Cold Cranking Amps (CCA): 710 CCA
• Cranking Amps (CA): 825 CA
• Group Size (BCI): 24F, 24R
• Reserve Capacity (min): 110 Minute

 

[EMT760]

No, you do not need a deep cycle battery, nor do you need an expensive dual battery system.

Deep cycle batteries do not make particularly good starting batteries, however, your starting battery will power your winch long enough for almost all weekend warrior recoveries and the only harm vs using a deep cycle battery will be that a starting battery does not have as many charge cycles in it as a deep cycle battery, and a starting battery doesn't react as well to deep discharges.

I do not consider those to be significant factors against using a starting battery to power a winch. Its not that big a big deal if it doesn't last quite as long, just replace the battery. That will still be cheaper and less trouble than the alternatives.

I took your advice and bought a Orileys SuperStart (24RPLT) 24F 710 CCA $239.00 its a nice battery.

For some reason Nissan after a certain date decided to goto 35F group, I told the parts guy punch in 2005 vs 2014 and you'll find 24F groups size and he did. 👍

 

[MTN]

Agreed, with the possible exception of a "high performance" 34R. Any quality 24R or 34R will be fine, whether conventional flooded lead acid or AGM.

Nothing special is required for 95% of recreational offroaders as long as the battery has the CCA and CA ratings recommended by the vehicle manufacturer and the winch manufacturer.

24F or 34R