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In the fall.
will not require to much in the way of tricked out rig gear but will need gas and water and food/booze to complete this 200 mile loop.




http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/upload/DEVAmap1a.pdf

This is a better detail government map http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/upload/Backcountry Roads-2.pdf


A,B,C,D to get into saline Valley
F,G Lippincott Mine Road to the Race Track
G,H,I,J,K Eureka Dunes (overnight)
Q to E Steel Pass to Saline Valley Hot springs (overnight)
could not get google to make a pretty complete loop.

meeting at the south entrance at Panamint springs on Saturday the 8th

Tuesday is a holiday(veterans) and participants can take Monday off. drive up Friday after work.



UPDATE:... Capped at 14 rigs total.
Please declare IN and be counted. after the cap is reached interested drivers can go on wait-list in case there is a cancellation.

there is a Death valley park limit of 12 rigs per 4x4 group so what I will do is to make two group stickers to affix to your rigs declaring one group or the other.
I was going to break into two colors.
the expedition portal is having 2 groups that are minimally separated.

DRIVERS

1. GeoXplorer
2. chrishayesusa
3. CKayaks
4. TurtleX
5. DannyX

RIDERS
1. Lily

PANAMINT SPRINGS .....MEET AND START.... GAS...

SALINE VALLEY ROAD: A flat and washboarded 45.9 mile road connecting the Saline Valley sand dunes to paved Highway 190 to the south, crossing South Pass enroute – conditions are class 1 to class 2 – recommended for most backroad drivers seeking to visit this valley along the Inyo Range if the weather is dry – see Saline Valley road listing in the ‘Northern Section’ above for additional information. (23) easy

LIPPENCOTT ROAD: A mountainous and steep 7 mile road connecting the Racetrack Valley to the Saline Valley to the west – conditions can vary from class 2 to class 4 – recommended only for expert drivers seeking a precarious challenge on a risky road, or as an alternate or shortcut route if Hunter Mountain is snowbound or too far to drive. (26) difficult

RACETRACK VALLEY ROAD: A flat, dusty, and washboarded 9 mile road connecting Teakettle Junction to Homestake primitive campground to the south – conditions are class 1 – recommended for most backroad drivers wishing to view The Racetrack moving rocks and the Lippencott lead mine. (20) easy

RACETRACK VALLEY ROAD: A flat and extremely washboarded 19.4 mile road connecting Ubehebe Crater to Teakettle Junction to the south (continues in the ‘Central Section’ listings below) – conditions are class 1 and class 2 – recommended for most backroad drivers seeking to visit Teakettle Junction and The Racetrack playa. (10) easy

BIG PINE / DEATH VALLEY ROAD: A mostly flat 44.5 mile road connecting the northern border area of the Park to the Ubehebe Crater road to the south – conditions are usually class 1 – recommended for all backroad drivers wishing to enter or exit the Park at its northern boundary – well graded – if driven from the town of Big Pine on Hwy 395 all the way to the Ubehebe road, it’s roughly 70 miles. (2) easy

SOUTH EUREKA VALLEY ROAD: A flat and washboarded 9.6 mile road connecting the Big Pine/Death Valley road to the Eureka Sand Dunes to the south – conditions are class 1 – recommended for most backroad drivers seeking to visit the singing dunes from the north end of the Park. (5) easy

STEEL PASS ROAD: A flat, sandy, mountainous, and constricted 13.5 mile road connecting Steel Pass to the Saline Valley warm springs to the south – conditions range from class 2 to class 4 – recommended only for expert backroad drivers seeking extreme solitude and a moderate backroad challenge. This road is in a wilderness corridor, which means that any side roads from it, most notably at the pass, are off limits to vehicular travel. (11) difficult

SOUTH>>>>SALINE VALLEY ROAD: A flat and washboarded 45.9 mile road connecting the Saline Valley sand dunes to paved Highway 190 to the south, crossing South Pass enroute – conditions are class 1 to class 2 – recommended for most backroad drivers seeking to visit this valley along the Inyo Range if the weather is dry – see Saline Valley road listing in the ‘Northern Section’ above for additional information. (23) easy

NORTH>>>SALINE VALLEY ROAD: A mountainous and flat 20.1 mile road connecting the Big Pine road to the Saline Valley Sand Dunes to the south (this road continues south in the ‘Central Section’ listings below) – conditions are class 1 to class 2 – recommended for most backroad drivers in dry weather (North Pass may be snowbound in winter) seeking to visit the Saline Valley warm springs from the north end of the Park. (9) easy

http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/upload/Backcountry Roads-2.pdf

http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/upload/DEVAmap1a.pdf



Camp Saturday
at Homestake Dry camp(near racetrack)
http://deathvalleyinaweek.com/day5/Homestake Dry Camp/
http://www.birdandhike.com/Hike/DEVA/Camps/Homestake/_Homestake.htm

Says there is a porta potty there


Camp Sunday Eureka Dunes
There is a porta potty there


Camp Monday
saline valley hot springs
There is a porta potty there


I will be bringing my PETT system and Grand Dunny toilet tent and recommend that others do the same. You never know about the availability of potties.
The expedition portal group has mandatory requirement of some type of potty facility per vehicle.


Rule and regulations here.... http://www.nps.gov/deva/parkmgmt/rules-and-regulations.htm

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21sf, if you bring the Camry then I'll bring my GF's Prius.

I could be up for this. I've done all of those roads a number of times - except Lippincott only once. They should all be doable with a stock rig (but road conditions can change - things can get washed out between now and then).

Every time I've done Steel Pass it has been in the Saline to Eureka Dunes direction, not the other way around. And I came down Lippincott, not up.

Your route puts you on the South Pass road into/out of Saline 3 times. Have you thought about going into Saline via the north pass on the first day instead?
 

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21sf, if you bring the Camry then I'll bring my GF's Prius.

I could be up for this. I've done all of those roads a number of times - except Lippincott only once. They should all be doable with a stock rig (but road conditions can change - things can get washed out between now and then).

Every time I've done Steel Pass it has been in the Saline to Eureka Dunes direction, not the other way around. And I came down Lippincott, not up.

Your route puts you on the South Pass road into/out of Saline 3 times. Have you thought about going into Saline via the north pass on the first day instead?

I wanted to do this loop. that being said ... the south pass may or may not be open. also the north pass may or may not be open. I thought about trying to accommodate people coming up from the south. And I thought about over-nighting and where.

 

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I wanted to do this loop. that being said ... the south pass may or may not be open. also the north pass may or may not be open. I thought about trying to accommodate people coming up from the south. And I thought about over-nighting and where.
Fair enough. You asked for thoughts. Sounds like fun - but yeah, you wont know road conditions until the time is near. When in the fall are you thinking?
 

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I just plotted the route with Garmin Basecamp. It looks like the loop appears to be closer to 300 miles, assuming filling up in Panamint Springs or Lone Pine on the way in and on the way out. Those are the closest fuel spots from the Saline South Pass turnoff. I can upload the route information sometime tomorrow if you are interested.
 

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:laughing3: I see what you did there.
Yeah, I lolled when I read it too.


I'd be up to doing this if the timing is right.
 

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I just plotted the route with Garmin Basecamp. It looks like the loop appears to be closer to 300 miles, assuming filling up in Panamint Springs or Lone Pine on the way in and on the way out. Those are the closest fuel spots from the Saline South Pass turnoff. I can upload the route information sometime tomorrow if you are interested.
Definitely interested in the information.
 

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Its been years since I've been on any of those trails. I would be interested in this run in the Fall (assuming by "Fall" you mean after the heat breaks).
 

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Definitely interested in the information.
Here is what I have come up with:

1 - From the Saline Valley Road turnoff on CA 190 to Lower Warm Springs: 52.5 miles
2 - From Lower Warm Springs to Lippincott to Eureka Dunes: 113 miles
3 - From Eureka Dunes over Steel Pass back into Lower Warm Springs: 25 miles
4 - Lower Warm Springs back out to CA 190: 52.5 miles

That is 243 miles of dirt driving, plus 20-30 miles on each side of that to get to/from either Lone Pine or Panamint Springs for fuel.

Here is the track information. I used Garmin Basecamp with a Desert Southwest map that has the roads on it to do the plot. You should be able to drop these files into Google Earth to quickly view them.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43211351/1 - Saline Valley Turnoff to Lower Warm Springs.gpx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43211351/2 - Lower Warm Springs to Eureka Dunes.gpx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43211351/3 - Eureka Dunes to Lower Warm Springs.gpx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43211351/4 - Lower Warm Springs to Saline Valley Turnoff.gpx









 

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I may be down for this trip dependent on work schedule.. I want to do the Mojave road this spring, so that may be a bit of good overland practice for this loop!
 
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