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I made this summary for someone else and though it might be helpful here. Let me know if I got anything wrong.

  1. How far can we talk?: This has much more to do with factors like terrain (hills, trees, etc...) and your antenna than other seemingly important factors like wattage. It basically comes down to how good your Line of Sight (LOS) is. More wattage will not punch a hole through a mountain.
  2. Who can I talk to?: Since the whole point of these radios is to communicate with other people this needs a lot of consideration. For the purposes of this forum, I'll say you primarily want to talk to your immediate convoy. This summary is not intended for people who want to talk to people thousands of miles away and make radio a hobby that is fun and rewarding in other ways.
  3. Convenience: We want to spend our time wheeling and having fun, not setting up equipment and messing with settings.

CB:
  • License: None required
  • Cost: $50 - $150 for something decent.
  • Range: Generally 1 - 4 miles, but terrain, transmitter, and antenna configuration can change that to 10 to 20 miles.
  • Will it work for wheeling: Yes, this is grand-daddy of radio communication so lots of long-time wheelers might have CBs. However, many large events and local clubs have dropped CBs in favor of GMRS/FRS, so check your local usage before buying one. IMHO, don't bother with it if you're starting from scratch unless you have the $$ for a CB and a GMRS, or your wheeling buddies are already set up for CB.
FRS:
  • License: None required
  • Cost: Very inexpensive ($10 and up)
  • Range: While wattage isn't a good measuring stick, these suffer from extremely low wattage (.5W ) to minimal wattage (2W). Combined with a tiny, non-removable antenna (per FCC requirements), these have limited range (often times less than a half mile for cheap models).
  • Will it work for wheeling: Probably. As long as the terrain isn't too crazy you should be able to talk to the whole group if you stay close together.
GMRS:
  • License: Yes, but there is no test and it's only $35. It also covers you and your immediate family for 10 years. It's more like a registration or a fishing license.
  • Cost: Great handhelds are around $40, but more power and complexity can be hundreds of $$.
  • Range: Since you can change antennas (not on handhelds) and can have up to 50watts, range can be anywhere from a mile to dozens of miles. Plus many GMRS radios can significantly extend their range by using repeaters (not all GMRS radios work with repeaters).
  • Will it work for wheeling: Yes. The better range (terrain allowing), will let your group be much more spread out. With decent LOS you can camp miles away from each other. It also shares channels with FRS, so you can talk with people who don't have GMRS - but they might not have as much range as you. It's about as plug and play as you can get. Just pick a channel and talk. Some people say channel 16 is for wheeling (because 4x4, get it?)
HAM:
  • License: Yes and a test is required. Cost varies depending on your license.
  • Cost: Generally more expensive than GMRS ($50 - thousands)
  • Range: Like GMRS you can change your antenna and you can use repeaters. Range can be a few miles to the entire world. HAMS also like to point out that you can talk to the Space Station too.
  • Will it work for wheeling: Yes, but only if everyone in your group is a HAM.
A word about "Privacy" channels or codes:
These are a feature on most FRS and GMRS radios. These are not private and do not encrypt your conversations. All they do is mute anyone else on the same channel who does not have the same privacy codes. Everyone else on that channel can probably hear you, but you can't hear them.

A word about using radios for emergencies:
If you are wheeling where there is no cell coverage, FRS, GMRS, and CBs are not likely to be able to reach anyone but your immediate group (that's what they are designed for). A HAM radio's distance can help you contact the outside world. BUT, you have to know how to use it and in many cases you need to know how to reach local repeaters before your trip. Also, if you are unable to use the HAM (got hurt, vehicle is wrecked, etc...) you're SOL unless someone else has the knowledge and equipment.

The best radio to have is a satellite phone. There are other satellite devices (Garmin, etc...) but in my experience they are slow and you'd have to train someone else to use it in case you are the one who is hurt. Sat phones need almost no training. I rent sat phones several times a year for around $100 for a few days. Split the cost with your group. I have a friend who had to be life-flighted out of an area and the cost for a sat phone is priceless.

TLDR, So what should I get for wheeling?
  1. GMRS: Pay the $35 fee and buy a good handheld or mobile unit for your rig. You'll be able to talk to anyone with the cheap FRS radios from the box stores and you can talk with the GMRS people who want more range and features. You can also use repeaters. Several large 4x4 events have dropped CBs and have officially adopted GMRS.
  2. FRS: These are cheap and anyone can use them. You might have range issues if you're more than a couple hundred feet apart and you have really cheap radios.
  3. HAM: A bit of overkill for wheeling and somewhat limiting if you're the only HAM in the group.
  4. CB: Check your local usage.
 

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nice and simple write up. Radio comms is confusing for the novice (me). So it’s nice to get a good layout of what’s going on.

One cool feature of some HAM radios is:
they use aprs/packet technology and can send text/email without cell service.

My go to move is to find a spot out somewhere to camp while off-roading/exploring where 99% of the time there is no cell service. I’ll pull location coordinates from my mobile ham radio, and use the same radio to text friends who haven’t made it out of work yet/left town yet where my location is. All without cell service on my end.
They can then easily find me later/after dark when they lose cell service.

they can also text me back without a license. So that’s one big plus for HAM for me.

but anyway, good write up.
 

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Yep, that part applies to handhelds. For example, Midland sells mobile units and has different GMRS antennas for them. So base stations and the mobile (the in-dash) types can have a removable antenna. I'll update my post to clarify that.
 

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One cool feature of some HAM radios is:
they use aprs/packet technology and can send text/email without cell service.

My go to move is to find a spot out somewhere to camp while off-roading/exploring where 99% of the time there is no cell service. I’ll pull location coordinates from my mobile ham radio, and use the same radio to text friends who haven’t made it out of work yet/left town yet where my location is. All without cell service on my end.
They can then easily find me later/after dark when they lose cell service.

they can also text me back without a license. So that’s one big plus for HAM for me.
Yeah, HAMs can be pretty cool. I'd love to see a write up on that setup!
 

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I wouldn't say CB is "very seldom" used, at least not here. A good number of the really built wheelers have a big CB firestik antenna. Also, I always enjoyed listening to the truck traffic, especially during snowstorms while going over a mountain pass, which I feel like is an unspoken benefit.
 

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I wouldn't say CB is "very seldom" used, at least not here. A good number of the really built wheelers have a big CB firestik antenna. Also, I always enjoyed listening to the truck traffic, especially during snowstorms while going over a mountain pass, which I feel like is an unspoken benefit.
Agreed. I'll update the main post to be less harsh. I spend a lot of time on the road and for some reason there's not a lot of CB traffic around here, even among truckers, and most of the other wheelers have moved to GMRS or FRS. But if everyone in the group already has CBs they work fine for wheeling.
 

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As you have said, many of the events have moved to GMRS. Personally, I carry all 3. A CB unit, GMRS/FRS hand held, and I have a ham license.
 

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Hard to consolidate all the aspects of radio choices into a concise post like that. I think the availability of many repeaters is a pretty big plus for ham radio, but as you said, you have to know how to use them.

This was a pretty good example of someone utilizing our local repeater system to initiate a rescue:


A lot of the decision about what to use will be regional, or even more to the point, who you run with. We do mostly solo travel but when we've been on group runs there's a pretty high percentage of people who have ham licenses and that's worked great. CB doesn't cut it if the group gets strung out over a long distance, like on a higher speed dusty desert drive where you need some space between vehicles.

GMRS definitely is becoming more popular because, well, it's easier and Midland has done a good job of pushing them. I wish more people went with ham, but that seems unlikely at this point because of the rising popularity of GMRS.
 

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Agreed. I'll update the main post to be less harsh. I spend a lot of time on the road and for some reason there's not a lot of CB traffic around here, even among truckers, and most of the other wheelers have moved to GMRS or FRS. But if everyone in the group already has CBs they work fine for wheeling.
Interesting. My dad was a truck driver and its the reason I have a couple CBs in my garage. Found a brand new one when he died in February in his bottom drawer.

I have noticed a lack of CB traffic and I live next to the interstate. Didn't realize they had moved on...but makes sense.
 

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Here is a tip on getting your ham license.
While the traditional route is book reading and maybe some classes...
The "test" is multiple choice and the questions are chosen from a published list. So... it's quite possible to learn the questions and answers by wrote. Lots of people just get an app for this and use it a bit every day until they know enough to easily pass. I recommend this one:
Obviously, it helps if you have some basic background in electronics. But many of the questions are about laws and rules and need to be memorized anyway. The app worked great for me.
 

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I did the same with my ham license. There’s another website you create an account for and just keeping taking quizzes until you’ve covered the entire question base.
took me maybe3-4 days on the couch after work while watching tv and I passed the first time
 
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