I am ready to start taking orders for these two items as shown.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/3242502051_7d10309932.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/3249808060_7695d0653f.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3250853274_a074ca9e8b.jpg?v=0

Single Bar Low Profile Lightbar will be going for the introductory price of $100.
The Lightcage is built around the very popular KC Daylighters and might not fit other similar offroad lights, it will be selling for the introductory price of $150.

Both items are built with a low profile in mind.

These items will be powder coated satin black, lights not included.
The prices are subject to change, I hope to keep prices low as possible so as long as steel prices remain stable there is a good chance this will approximate the "regular" pricing.

I am launching a new small business and have not worked out the payment methods as yet, waiting on some bureaucratic rigamarole to finalize, but I would still like to start taking orders or at the very least see what kind of interest there is on these products.

I will update this thread immediately with any new information or price changes.
sales@xoskel.com

In the process of developing roof rack replacements and accessories as well. Rock Sliders to be announced soon.
Website will be launching soon http://www.xoskel.com

Got tighter pics of the single low-pro? You've peaked my interest....

Count me in. How big are those KC lights? 6in?

Glad to see this post. I caught a glimpse of those on XOC when you chased that guy away from your X.
Those look great!

that is freaking badass dude!!!

Really like both of them. Youi need some close up pics showing how they are mounted for sure.

Any plans on doing a light bar to be mounted on the front?

Me likey.

Now, if I can only get the wife to approve. She may like the single, or maybe not. She doesn't seem to want me to add anything to the X that isn't "needed."

rand, a light bar will only help you see at night...safety first!!!

rand, a light bar will only help you see at night...safety first!!!

Oh, believe me, I'll try and sell it to her that way, but her definition of what is needed and my definition don't always match up.

I was able to convince her that we need the full set of SW skids. She also once said yes to a Dephep rack and fog lights. Unfortunately, I also have to consider my Celica repairs. I've got quite a few.

More pics are definitely in demand here. They both look really nice.

Post more photos of where it attatches and such, for both light bars, please. I am 100% interested in either of these, but i would of course, like to see the attatchment points. Thanks! The sooner you post these photos, the sooner im buying.

If a direct replacemnt low prfile roof rack is int he works, then send me a pm about that too.

I am pretty sure they use two of the roof rack bolts on each side.

They look like a really nice product.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3322041419_9de4c00348_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3322041387_05dc00eba8_b.jpg

The KC Daylighters are the 6" that I picked up for 119 a pair on Amazon.

Both items bolt on using existing bolt holes, stainless hardware will be included.

how is the glare? Can you provide any in-cabin shots at night (flash off) with the lights on to show the wash on the hood?

--also more pics of how the lights mount and the dimensions between top and bottom of mount, as well as the bottom of lightbar to top of roof. That way we can get a better idea of the space available for other lights besides KC.

one more thing...way cool dude..that's an awesome take on crafting a lightbar..props man!!

Can we also get a pic of the mounting tabs for the lights? How wide are said tabs?

Also, on the one with the KC's, what is the secondary bar for? (The one mounted in the rear.)

Great looking products.

If you come out with something for the Frontier I'm in.

Wow dude, great looking product you have there.

Looks like nice products. I'd be interested.

The first light bar pictured with the Hella FF75 on it, will that accommodate other lights or just the small 50 or 75's?

this is something i'm definitely interested in. i was originally interested in getting some ff75's but that light bar looks perfect for the daylighters... was also wondering the same as xterras05 ^^^

Me likey.

Now, if I can only get the wife to approve. She may like the single, or maybe not. She doesn't seem to want me to add anything to the X that isn't "needed."

Ditto!!!

That's why I haven't put on my blackout hood yet. She saw it and immediately disapproved.

As for the lightbars, they both look awesome! I think they look even better than Gerdo's original plan. Now i just have to scrape up some more mod $.

that looks nice...mostly likely interested...was thinking about a whole replacement roof rack, but this is very appealing!

Wow, that looks nice. Are those Daylighter's mounted sideways?

where do you have the wires come out at and into the roof?

now i'm torn between the two. personally i'm not a fan of the daylighter covers, but i can always find aftermarket ones to fit over them... any thoughts as far as quality on the hellas vs the daylighters in performance?

now those light bars are sick looking... interested in the "single bar"

Daylighter has a slew of covers for their lights. Both in hard plastic and soft vinyl.

It really depends on the level and price you want to pay. Hella makes some very nice lights, but in the Daylighter price range, they are IMO the nicer of the lights.

Could you make the "KC bar" to fit a set of PIAA 520's? They are 6.25'' in diameter or is there enough clearance built into it already?

Awesome looking lightbars! Could you give us some height specs on the 2 bar one? I'm wondering if the X will still fit in the garage with that bad boy on. Either way, probably interested.

i like the chrome (http://www.andysautosport.com/mitsubishi/2006_9999_raider/lights/light_covers/headlight_covers/kc_hilites/kchi00084992.html) and black (http://autopartsfaster.com/product.php?productid=53484) stone guards

http://www.andysautosport.com/images/detailed_product/lights/light_covers/headlight_covers/kchi_7211.jpg

http://www.jcwhitney.com/wcsstore/jcwhitney/images/imagecache/G_13772G_SW_1.gif

Those are SWEET!!!!

Problem with them is that at least in PA (and a number of other states) they are illegal if you are the road. In PA, any lights mounted higher than the factory headlights have to be covered at all times when on the road.

Jason would that include a set of lights mounted on the Shrock front bumper?

It's the law in a lot of states; I went with old-school KC covers on mine; got the covers off of ebay for around $15/pair:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa218/XVTer/Rausch%20Creek%20061408/Daves%20Pics/IMG_5059.jpg

Since installing the loadwarrior extension, I am unable to mount the lights in the same place as I had them so this light bar might just be the ticket :thumbup:

Any way one of those could be adapted to a Gen II Frontier that has a factory roof rack?

Jason would that include a set of lights mounted on the Shrock front bumper?

No, the lights on the Shock would be fine. However, they can not be over 55w and you can not have them on with the factory fox (and headlights) and you can not use them as your primary head lights.

Well dzamn... When can ya use the damn things? I was planning on running a set of PIAA 520's or Hella 4000's so either way they are getting covered up.

You can not use roof lights on the road at all in PA.

The bumper lights you can use with high beams and as a fog light with your normal headlights.

The law is that you can not have more than two sets of lights on at the same time.

This is getting a little off topic for the cool light bar thread.

Okay thanks for the clarification...

THREAD JACK OVER

back on topic, is shipping included in these prices?

Clearly tons of interest in these (including from me) ... I'll be watching this thread for answers to many of the questions posed, but I'm particularly interested in the size constraints (against lights) for the 'cage' model.

I'm also interested in cost/ability to add custom features, but would be willing to discuss the specifics offline when I get ready to purchase - so as not to drag the thread back off topic.

They look really good, by the way.

-Jonathan

I hope to answer all the questions asap, on my lunch at my day job, so I will make this post fast. I will have to review all the posts and answer what I can answer later tonight. The image in this post will answer a few of those questions such as the use of the rear bar in the cage.

By day I weld suspension components for formula fords, van dieman and other open and close wheel race cars. Some formula one stuff now and then as well, we also do machining and welding for all sorts of other products. The rest of the time is all about this business I am trying to start and my number one goal is to build what people want and need for their trucks.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3323824124_7537a2cd54_b.jpg

More to come later.

Shipping not included in those prices.

The light cage is approximately 1" higher then the highest point of the stock roof rack, I will verify that when I get a chance.

any pics straight on?

I'd buy one of these as well... Great idea for those of us who are too lazy to figure out mounting on our own..

Nice I've been wantin some square lights but that KC bar is nice
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Count me in and I hope it doesn't take as long as shrockworks to make these things.

:disgust:Sigh... adding another mod to the wish list... gotta go buy a lotto ticket...

Looks awesome, man :drink:

I was just about to (well, I guess I am now) jump in and point out that FANGARS is a welder by trade and I've seen some of his work up close, and it's quality. Congratulations on forming your cottage industry, it looks like it's being met already with a warm reception..

Not sure I can afford it right now but I am interested. Great looking and unique design.

Dang! Sweet lightbars!

Me likey.

Now, if I can only get the wife to approve. She may like the single, or maybe not. She doesn't seem to want me to add anything to the X that isn't "needed."

She didn't say "no." In fact, she said she liked how they look. :cheers:

Unfortunately, the earliest I can get anything right now is July. :banghead:

Really like both of them. Youi need some close up pics showing how they are mounted for sure.

Any plans on doing a light bar to be mounted on the front?
I do plan on a light bar mounted on the front.

I just caught this post and I am highly excited about these products! I am anticipating your updates and answers later tonight.

Me likey.

Now, if I can only get the wife to approve. She may like the single, or maybe not. She doesn't seem to want me to add anything to the X that isn't "needed."
Take her out wheeling on a moonless/starless night.
My wife and I were on Bloody Basin Road north of Phoenix with just our headlights, that was when we realized more light is not a luxury, and that was not too much long after we were going through Comb Ridge near Bluff, Utah late at night, alone and tired eyes peering into the blackness with just our headlights.
That should do the trick.

saweet.

Take her out wheeling on a moonless/starless night.
My wife and I were on Bloody Basin Road north of Phoenix with just our headlights, that was when we realized more light is not a luxury, and that was not too much long after we were going through Comb Ridge near Bluff, Utah late at night, alone and tired eyes peering into the blackness with just our headlights.
That should do the trick.

Oh, all it's going to take is our trip to MS in two weeks. If that doesn't do it, we have a few other trips lined up over the next few months. All of them are camping events. Most are pretty far off the main roads. Arriving at night for set-up will help too.

I love the base light bar with the FF75. I have actually on held off on buying two sets because I didn't want to fab up a bar. I'm really looking forward to purchasing one and doing this. http://www.thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12964&highlight=ff75 The last two pictures in post #1 still amaze me.

I have Hella FF75 and will be installing them soon.

Straight on.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/3323747567_e313bbe653_b.jpg
Lightcage height over stock roof rack, 1" square tube resting on top the highest points on the rack which turn out to be the adjustable cross memebers. Looking at these images it appears that the cage is not even a full inch higher then the highest point on the roof rack.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3481/3323747585_422fb47c09_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3323747577_3db891582d_b.jpg

That HID conversion looks cool, but outside my own budget constraints for now. The lights look exactly like the ones I used in my images of the single-bar lightbar but mine were not hellas, they are cheap lights I got from Autozone for 25 bucks a pair, I bought them just as models for my images and to help me visualize other light fixture related projects.
They are cheap. The first time a branch swats one or more of the lights, the thin, cheap brackets holding the crappy not so water-tight plastic body to your lightbar will give way fully or partially. leaving you with ripped away circuits and lights or at best, bent up light brackets.

hey fangars nice job! ever since the first lightbar design for the roof rack came out ive been designing my own in my head and its very similar to yours. I really like your design minus the lights being mounted sideways, but i realise that theres not much else you can do and still keep it low pro. mind me asking what size tubing you used? looks like 1 inch, but what wall thickness?

1" 14 gauge, I am considering using lighter gauge for the cage, but not the single bar, it needs the extra stiffness being as its supporting four lights with no extra supports.

Mounting them sideways was the only way to get the low profile, as the images I just posted show highest part of the cage is not even a full inch higher then the highest part of the roof rack. Mounting them in that fashion only requires that you rotate the lens/bulb assembly 90° clockwise for one side and counter clockwise for the other half. This is as easy as loosening a bolt and turning the assembly as desired. You have to rotate for three reasons, the light covers to fit properly, the lenses to diffuse light as designed, and so the bulb filament is resting in a horizontal state as it was designed.

any chance i can get pics straight on and on top if possible of the single low profile bar? i'm on the fence about which to go with

Had another question occur to me ... does the 'cage' bar impede the opening of the gear box at all? It doesn't look like it should, but I just want to be sure.

how do I order the low profile 100 dollar one? I am sold. That is exactly what I wanted.

If you keep making items that fit peoples needs like this your business will do great.

Do you take paypal?

Mike

Had another question occur to me ... does the 'cage' bar impede the opening of the gear box at all? It doesn't look like it should, but I just want to be sure.
I took great care to make sure it had absolutely no effect on the functionality of the gear box.

how do I order the low profile 100 dollar one? I am sold. That is exactly what I wanted.

If you keep making items that fit peoples needs like this your business will do great.

Do you take paypal?

Mike
My beautiful and talented wife should be finishing up with all the requirements for our business account tomorrow. With that we can set up the payment method which at first will be using paypal. As more products are added we may outgrow paypal or even find the usage fees a bit to steep to stay with that method and migrate to something else. Shoot me an email at sales@xoskel.com listing what you want and I will get back to you asap when the method of payment is up and running.
In between now and that time I will be building your bar and have it at the powder coater. That said I have to get outside and start welding.

where do the wires go?

If Hella 500's will fit in there, I am in. Does anyone know if they can be clocked? Maybe not on the first run, but in a few months anyway. I was going to build one myself, for what materials would run, and finding access to a tube bender, I'll buy yours. It looks really great BTW.

I do plan on a light bar mounted on the front.

Awesome, I would want one for the front and then one of the roof ones (not sure which one yet).

count me in i will order this as well

Ok, decided on the cage version, but only if the Hella 500's will fit. What is the measurements of those KC's?

Also, when do you think you might do the front bar - would like to order the cage and the front bar at the same time (I'm putting Hella 700's on the front bar).

PM me if you want.

Straight on.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/3323747567_e313bbe653_b.jpg

I really like this design, but from the front I'm not sure about it. Although I think it is a creative design. Maybe if the mounting hardware were painted black it would look better.

function over form.
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i like the cage better also. i like the gli mk4 in the background also

It's about time some one did this : )

I fabbed mine in a machine shop. I can see you did the same.

This is the fastest growing thread I have ever seen on this site.

i'd be in for the cage

Those both look pretty sweet, I would definitely be interested in them.

Can you mount bigger lights on that super low profile bar?

I had to get in on this thread since it is growing so fast....

Now this is a cool light bar, I much prefer the look over the cage. Not familiar with that light though. I'd want some powerful lights up there, but I love that low profile form man. Will have to study up and put on my must have that mod list!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3322041387_05dc00eba8_b.jpg

Now this is a cool light bar, I much prefer the look over the cage. Not familiar with that light though. I'd want some powerful lights up there, but I love that low profile form man. Will have to study up and put on my must have that mod list!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3322041387_05dc00eba8_b.jpg

It looks to me like a Hella FF75 (http://www.myhellalights.com/halogen_lamps/FF75.html#)

Which I'd be interested in.

Those both look pretty sweet, I would definitely be interested in them.

Can you mount bigger lights on that super low profile bar?

I had to get in on this thread since it is growing so fast....

You sure can, mount anything you want on it.

i like the ff75's- im thinking the same as David S (http://www.thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12964)'s setup with 2 driving lamps and 2 fogs on the side, without the HID conversion. If those aren't FF75s in the picture, they sure look real close to them. i considered the ff50's but i think the lower profile ff75s fit the look a lot better on that low profile mounting rack

FF 75 Driving Lamp Kit

http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/photo//web/ser_ff75.jpg http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/drawing//web/008284861-dia.gif http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/lighting//web/008284831-iso.jpg

Application: additional driving light
part number 1FA 008 284-831
55 watts
voltage: 12-36 heavy duty
Clear glass lens
Magnesium Free-Form reflector for optimal light output
Magnesium provides high thermal resistance that prevents warping
Mounting Upright - Pendant
Free Form reflectors use as many as 50,000 points to precisely direct light producing up to three times more illumination than ordinary lights with even spread and almost no stray light.
Kit include two lamps, two H7 bulbs, wiring harness, relay and mounting hardware

well, fangars, im officially sold on the low profile. im waiting till friday for my bank to send me a new debit card since they mailed my replacement to an old address and had to cancel it (:angry5:) then ill link the new one up to paypal and get in touch with you for payment. your work looks amazing and cant wait to see everything else you're rolling out with

looks really sweet, i'm sold too!! But like marty said, where all the wiring goes?? That's my problem, I don't know where to pass it!!!

DavidS is running 4 of the FF75 on his roof. Those little buggers surprised the heck out of me.

Count me in. This is unbeatable for the price.

FF 75 Driving Lamp Kit

http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/photo//web/ser_ff75.jpg http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/drawing//web/008284861-dia.gif http://cat.hella.com/hella232/upload/USAData/lighting//web/008284831-iso.jpg

Application: additional driving light
part number 1FA 008 284-831
55 watts
voltage: 12-36 heavy duty
Clear glass lens
Magnesium Free-Form reflector for optimal light output
Magnesium provides high thermal resistance that prevents warping
Mounting Upright - Pendant
Free Form reflectors use as many as 50,000 points to precisely direct light producing up to three times more illumination than ordinary lights with even spread and almost no stray light.
Kit include two lamps, two H7 bulbs, wiring harness, relay and mounting hardware


DavidS is running 4 of the FF75 on his roof. Those little buggers surprised the heck out of me.

I just went to nopi.com (http://www.nopi.com/) and found the driving lights for $96.67 (http://www.nopi.com/dsp_part_detail.php?vnopinum=011+1310) and the fogs for $76.67 (http://www.nopi.com/dsp_part_detail.php?vnopinum=011+1311).

The good news for me is that their storefront is like 5 miles away. Can you say "no shipping"?

OK, now back to talking about this awesome light bar.

Pisser! I have money in hand and tried to buy one tonight. I was informed we will all have to wait a few days perhaps to place an order till the payment system is set up with the web site. Dont make us wait 6 months for stuff bro!

Looks great, cant wait to get my hands on one.

NOw after looking at even closer, I think I would go with the low profile and possibly switch to a low profile high intense light instead of the hella 500's I currently have. Then use my hella 500's along with my hella 700's on the front light bar your going to make!!!!

Pisser! I have money in hand and tried to buy one tonight. I was informed we will all have to wait a few days perhaps to place an order till the payment system is set up with the web site. Dont make us wait 6 months for stuff bro!

Looks great, cant wait to get my hands on one.

There will be no such wait times. You might have to wait to pay for a few days to pay but the products are already being built.

Today my wife finalizes some of the steps to getting the payment method online, those steps being getting a business account with our credit union and signing us up for a commercial account with paypal.

Paypal has the requirement that we have a business account with our bank/credit union before we can use their service. Once that is established I can integrate it into my website, something I have some experience with having built and maintained a few websites in the past.

I will not be having crazy wait times for products, two to three weeks tops, but this being the very beginning of operations for this business you might just have to wait a few days to pay. Remember this is a brand spanking new small business, starting up in a down economy no less.

Lightbars and cages are already built and being built, last step being powder coat. The powder coaters need 5-6 business days and after that it can be boxed and shipped.

Once demand is up to the point I can do this full time new products will develop much faster, but I promise wait times will never get to be like the stories I have been hearing about 3 to 8 to 12 months for products I already have developed, and the lightbar and lightcage in question are already developed and ready for manufacturing. There is nothing I can do about the powder coat wait time as that process is done by someone else.

nice looking products, great job

Another image before I go back outside to weld more lightbars before work.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3325827350_cb0d92549a_b.jpg
The Arizona sun can be harsh on the plastics.

Would that single bar hold a set of Hella rally 4000 compacts?

Just busting your balls about wait time. You do good work. Now get on that roof rack so i can have one by my trip to MOAB.

Way to be absurdly pushy and yet oh so polite Mark! Lol

He and I already spoke, no big thang.

Go play with your ladder Zach.

I would if it wasn't 10 degrees and I actually had my rear bumper!

Ill take one of those fo sho

Would that single bar hold a set of Hella rally 4000 compacts?

Yes, it will. Those lights appear to come with 3/8" bolts. The light bar has 1/2" holes. I recommend pushing the bolts as far forward in those holes as possible before tightening to make sure they don't hit the fairing when installed.
Installing lights on the bar before putting it on the truck is much easier then the other way around, allowing you to test fit with your supplied hardware before bolting into the roof.
The light bar is built with a low profile in mind while leaving clearance for most bolts, some lights may come with long hardware so in the case where the hardware might want to touch the fairing I suggest either cutting the bolts or purchasing shorter bolts. The tabs are only .100 of an inch thick and the hardware supplied with most lights allows for an inch. If the hardware supplied is longer then an allowance for 1 inch you may have to cut it down or replace, or even shim with washers. The washer idea is not my preferred solution as it would bring your lights up higher and its just as easy to buy bolts as it is washers.

If anyone is feeling anal about having 5/16" or 3/8" hardware going into 1/2" holes I will look into fabbing up some reducer bushings but its just so easy to push light hardware as far forward as it will register and then tighten as needed. Locktite it down once you are sure about fit and placement.

For the lightcage, KC Daylighters have 1/2" hardware and I imagine any other light that might fit will have 1/2" as well.

I am off to my day job for now.

Here is an image of the first time I fit my light cage on the truck with all four lights.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/3325080915_b36d46d654_b.jpg

Ok, decided on the cage version, but only if the Hella 500's will fit. What is the measurements of those KC's?


From KC's website:
http://www.kchilites.com/kcproduct_images/repl_spec/daylighter_dim.gif

I'm definitely looking forward to picking one of these up

Great job! This is the best way to mount lights up top without a rack.

From KC's website:
http://www.kchilites.com/kcproduct_images/repl_spec/daylighter_dim.gif

I'm definitely looking forward to picking one of these up

I will look into this once I get home, feeding aluminum motor mount parts into a cnc machine right now, gives me a bit of time to view the forum.

If there is a change that will need to be made I will be happy to make it work for similar lights, it will just take some time and probably an example of the lights in question.
I am not against having your lights shipped to me so I can check fit and if needed make changes so that you can use the lights of your choice.

I am in for a low-pro single bar! EXCELLENT WORK!

I know this is for light bars but you said somethin about sliders. If so please make them with your own style. I'm sick of seeing everything shrock style. If a good price I will buy.
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I know this is for light bars but you said somethin about sliders. If so please make them with your own style. I'm sick of seeing everything shrock style. If a good price I will buy.
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As a matter of fact I intend to make them my own style, my own have square side rails that stick far enough out so that I can actually walk up to my X with both hands full of gear and step up on the rail. To be fair my X is not lifted so I would have to have a free hand if it were much higher.
There are images of my prototype sliders in my Welcome section post.
I am not offering them to the public at large as yet(translates to locals only) do to one of the components is going to require some expensive press brake dies or me farming out to some other company, or I could change the design of that component so that its a much simpler piece to fab. It is basically an L bracket that will not bend without cracking unless I either heat it up first or buy the expensive die set.
I have the jig built but I want to get the manufacturing process streamlined before I announce them as for sale to the world at large.

Welcome Center post http://www.thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14084

I was lookin but can't find the pict of ur slider. Where are you located?
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i haven't posted in this thread yet so i thought i would.

anyway, nice light bars. for real.

Those sliders look beefy. I really like the style. Looking forward for a whole product line. Would El Paso be considered local...?

Fangars,

My old '85 4Runner had sliders exactly like that.. We put grip tape on the top, and i loved them.. They were great for standing on. Far nicer to stand on than a round tube slider. I'd be interested in your sliders for this reason. I want a slider that doubles as a step.. sort of.. I hate watching my wife slip on the round sliders on my 4runner.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/85%204runner/downsized_0320081358.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/85%204runner/100_0329.jpg

Dude. Nice work. Sign me up for a light cage.

Another question for you...

Would the light racks work well if the factory equipment was removed? So instead of sitting on top of the lip for the storage bin, it'd be flush with the roof...

-Jason

Another question for you...

Would the light racks work well if the factory equipment was removed? So instead of sitting on top of the lip for the storage bin, it'd be flush with the roof...

-Jason

I think so. I will check when I take the roof rack off of my vehicle while developing roof racks.
If it does not fit it would probably be that the holes on the actual roof would be slightly closer together as they bolts are not perpendicular to the same horizontal plane.

One issue is that the actual roof is not flat.

Looks like the Hella 500's should fit... they are only slightly larger diameter wise, and about half as thick as the KC's. http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaUSA/WebSite/Channels/Drivers/Products/Performance_Lighting/Model500/Model500.jsp Fangars... I say go buy a pair from Walmart and test fit them; they are only about $50.

Cool idea; I like it! Anyway you could wire them up quick (even temporary) and post a pic of the windshield glare? I'd get one, but it would cover up all the wife's stickers. :D

I am in for the sliders also when they come out.

So I've missed pages 4-12.. Any pics at night? (glare concerns..)

One issue is that the actual roof is not flat.

True.. but is the mounting piece completely flat? Fangars hasn't made mention of it.. Just a thought really.. I personally like the look of some new SUV's with no roof rack.. Thanks to Chase's Madmax thread, the X is on the list of rigs that look awesome with no rack.. The OE rack is too cartoony and bulky for me..

So I've missed pages 4-12.. Any pics at night? (glare concerns..)
I will take some images, I hooked them up to the battery and there is an issue, much like driving in the city with the street lights overhead.
There are comprimises to be made when going low profile.
In order for there to be no glare you have to mount the lights behind the bend that begins the drop down to the windshield, in other words, on top of the lid for the gear box or even further depending on height.
I have a few solutions in mind. I will test when I get the chance.

The other thing people have done is purchase a blackout kit (basically a big piece of matte black vinyl that covers the center, raised, portion of our hoods) ... or just live with it.

On that note, did you happen to take pictures from the cab of the glare ... don't need to be anything fancy (aside from no flash), I think people would just want to get an idea.

Thanks for all your super prompt responses, by the way.

What about a tray under where each light would go, thus blocking the glare in relation to the size of the tray.. When i say tray, i guess it'd be more or less a flat piece of metal merely blocking the light that would otherwise hit the hood.

Of course then you run into different size lights that might have a different pattern or output.. But i'm sure you could do a small, medium, and large light blocking tab...

...

The other thing people have done is purchase a blackout kit (basically a big piece of matte black vinyl that covers the center, raised, portion of our hoods) ... or just live with it.

was just about to suggest the same. im ready to put that blackout to good use other than just for the looks

Or you know how some motorcyle lights have visors. Just put it on the bottom of the light.
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i like the idea of it being able to spread out the beams a bit to the sides and in front of me rather than projected straight out which would be the only reason a visor fix wouldnt work for me. i was going to mount ff75 driving lights in the middle and ff75's on the outsides to give it more of a spread

i like the idea of it being able to spread out the beams a bit to the sides and in front of me rather than projected straight out which would be the only reason a visor fix wouldnt work for me. i was going to mount ff75 driving lights in the middle and ff75's on the outsides to give it more of a spread


i disagree. I think a visor would work if done properly. The idea is to only block the light that would otherwise be directly reflecting off of the hood.

But the hood blackout is a great idea that will help reduce glare as well.

i'd have to see it done first before i go that route, but im sure it has the potential to work well

Fangars,

I'm in for the low profile! Nice work, they look great.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3325827350_cb0d92549a_b.jpg

Very nice. But, +1 on the glare concern, though. Otherwise, count me in too...

count me in as well

I did not read carefully everything, but I find those bar very nice looking and was curious about where is the hole to let the water (or pressure buildup) out on the Daylighter !

Will it make a difference that it is installed sideway ?

Also, I will include this link in the list of Lights for the X (http://www.thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12860) so it can be easily found by everyone.

Or you know how some motorcyle lights have visors. Just put it on the bottom of the light.
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Like this:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa192/TXterra37/Xterra/PI%20Ntl%20Seashore%20FJ%20Meet/PC280949.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa192/TXterra37/Xterra/PI%20Ntl%20Seashore%20FJ%20Meet/PC280952.jpg

It's on my buddy's FJ, but you get the idea.

Yep like those
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Very nice. But, +1 on the glare concern, though. Otherwise, count me in too...
The cold hard fact is, in order to have the lights positioned lower then the high point of the roof rack and mounted with no changes made to the roof rack(removal or altering components) glare is unavoidable.

People have mentioned what sound to me like workable solutions to this problem, and I have a few ideas of my own.
In order to block light that would cause the glare, lights would have to be mounted in a position well behind the fairing, so that the light would be hitting the top of the roof rack rather then the windshield and this of course means your lights are no longer low profile.

When I was developing both the light cage and light bar, I searched for a position that would a) keep things as low as possible but allow room for installation hardware b) minimize the the amount of glare and c) not go forward of the windshield. I also wanted it to look as good as possible.
What I found is that the angle of the forward slope of the roof rack/fairing was really close to the same angle of the windshield. No matter how far back you were on that slope the angle did not permit a natural blocking of polluting light by any of the existing features of the vehicle. Only when you go up and over the bend, well on top of the rack does glare causing light get blocked.
Many of us have seen the '09 Offroad Xterra lights. Those are actually positioned inside the fairing allowing the roof to block any offending light.
I did not design the light cage or light bar to force people to have to cut or remove their fairing just to block glare, there are other ways to block the glare. These products were designed to be low and easy to install without molesting your stock roof rack. The resulting glare is a compromise and one that can be fixed.
As I design my full roof rack replacements there are no such constrictions, light placement will not cause glare, but the products I offer now are for those who either do not want a full roof rack replacement or are looking for a stop gap solution they can use until they can afford a full roof rack replacement.
Sorry about the long babbly post, I just wanted to make it clear the limitations of positioning lights + leaving the stock roof rack unmolested.

I did not read carefully everything, but I find those bar very nice looking and was curious about where is the hole to let the water (or pressure buildup) out on the Daylighter !

Will it make a difference that it is installed sideway ?

Also, I will include this link in the list of Lights for the X (http://www.thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12860) so it can be easily found by everyone.

You bring up a good question, one I thought about when searching for lights to use in this product to build around.
The lights are for the most part water tight with the exception of where the wiring comes out, there is a grommet and it is a tight fit but I can still imagine a slight chance of moisture getting in. A bit of sealant around that point would probably not hurt. Silicone would probably make it a water proof orifice if applied correctly.
Here in Phoenix we do not see much rain but when it does rain its often quite a lot of water coming down hard and fast from several directions.
Eventually you will have to change your bulb. Take that chance to check the conditions of your lights.

So whats the deal dude! When can I place and order and send you some money?

So whats the deal dude! When can I place and order and send you some money?
We got our business account yesterday with our credit union but are as yet unable to access it. My wife is talking to them today(I hope) and working that all out. I am still at work feeding a CNC machine some motor mount parts.
When I get home I will be bending tube and welding lightbars and cages.
When it gets too late for grinding noise I will come in and try to integrate the payment method into our website or email you the vitals.
As I said before it will not effect the wait time for the product as those are already being built.
I am glad to see the buzz about these products, give me hope I can move to doing this full time and even hire employees and keep the wait times down to the barest minimum.

Im all about the roof rack too. Keep it going.

Im all about the roof rack too. Keep it going.

fo shizzle!!! i hate thinking about dropping over a grand on the Gobi

So did you mention a ballpark price on the full roofrack?

Wow, nice work. I think I'm in for the low profile one, but I want to see your front end mount first as I'd like to have them there.

count me for the lightbar!!! woooo!

So did you mention a ballpark price on the full roofrack?

I only have a price point I want to target, until I actually develop and build what I have in mind I really can not say.
Too low of a "guess" would leave people disappointed in the actual value, too high and people might turn somewhere else before I even had a chance to develop.

I only have a price point I want to target, until I actually develop and build what I have in mind I really can not say.
Too low of a "guess" would leave people disappointed in the actual value, too high and people might turn somewhere else before I even had a chance to develop.

this crowd(including myself) will settle for a crayon drawing of what you might/maybe/could/possibly be thinking about. if you havent noticed we all love the your product which we cant even buy just yet.

So hows the money collection going?

new credit card just arrived...im ready to do some spending. just give me the green light, fangars ;)

This is the NewX.org Stimulus Package :)

Uhhh, yeah!

this crowd(including myself) will settle for a crayon drawing of what you might/maybe/could/possibly be thinking about. if you havent noticed we all love the your product which we cant even buy just yet.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3386/3332255768_d1a1b98081_o.jpg
I was thinking about 185 grand with the scud launcher option.

HAHAHAHA!!!! I want a JDAM added to mine.

JDAMs (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=108)are for bombs, not missiles. It turns a "dumb" bomb into a "smart" bomb.

Silly people.

JDAMs (http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=108)are for bombs, not missiles. It turns a "dumb" bomb into a "smart" bomb.

meaning it will over in that spot not this spot....

I'll settle for a 50 cal...

"I was thinking about 185 grand with the scud launcher option."


HaHa I'll take two!!!

Oh dang it, I was thinking of the Javelin, damn J's!!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3386/3332255768_d1a1b98081_o.jpg
I was thinking about 185 grand with the scud launcher option.

Sign me up!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3386/3332255768_d1a1b98081_o.jpg
I was thinking about 185 grand with the scud launcher option.

I think your behind the times if a Sidekick is sporting a roof rocket... Randomly I saw this just today a block from my work..

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/Random/0306091322.jpg

... I am stoked to pick up either one of you light racks..

I think your behind the times if a Sidekick is sporting a roof rocket... Randomly I saw this just today a block from my work..

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/jason_goates/Random/0306091322.jpg

... I am stoked to pick up either one of you light racks..

Its hard to be the first, someone once told me that the key to originality is to forget where you stole your ideas.
I forget who told me that so I call dibs on the originator of that quote.

FAngars do you have a prototype for the front bumper light mount?

FAngars do you have a prototype for the front bumper light mount?
Not yet, but it is on the short list.

I'll be waiting...

Payment method is going to take 3-5 business days for them to verify whatever they have to verify, so hopefully by the end of this week or by the beginning of next week I can start accepting payments.

In the meanwhile I am still building product, even have my wife helping me cut, mark and bend tubing.

Website should be up soon, working out some goofy kinks, but I have the basic layout and look down, when paypal has verified all the details they need to verify I can integrate it into the site.

I will keep everyone posted on the progress.

Any orders just email sales@xoskel.com and if you have any questions email me at fangars@xoskel.com.

Low profile for me. Looks great. Keep up the good work. I will be watching the sliders. Mahalos.

I am pretty sure they use two of the roof rack bolts on each side.

They look like a really nice product.

Anyone know how strong those bolts are? I carry a kayak up on top occasionally and think it might rest on the top of the caged version. Will that pull the bolts out of the roof?

BTW, very interested. Not sure which version yet...

For the low profile version, I'm assuming you could mount any size light you wanted on that?

For the low profile version, I'm assuming you could mount any size light you wanted on that?

Yep, he said basically anything can fit on the low profile, but the full cage is a little more limiting- there was some discussion on hella 500s that i think were determined to fit, but not positive

Anyone know how strong those bolts are? I carry a kayak up on top occasionally and think it might rest on the top of the caged version. Will that pull the bolts out of the roof?

BTW, very interested. Not sure which version yet...

For the low profile version, I'm assuming you could mount any size light you wanted on that?

The bolts I use to replace the stock bolts are stainless, they will not be the weak link. The light cage would not make your adhesion to the roof any weaker or stronger but having the cage there will add stability to the kayak(depending on how you tie it down) as it does when I carry metals on the roof. The kayak is probably much more stiff then a lot of the metals I carry up there so you might not notice any difference. When I carry 20' lengths on my roof rack the cage adds about a foot more in length and a bit more stability allowing for much less bounce of the material that hangs over the hood. This allows me to push a bit more of the material further forward so I do not have more then 4' hanging from the back end.

The cage also protects the lights from the materials that I carry up there.

breezy is correct, I do believe just about any light you would want to use will fit on the low profile (single-bar) light bar.

People have been emailing me asking for the low profile bar, I am thinking of calling it the Lo Pro bar but then I remembered lowepro is the name of my favorite camera backpack manufacturer. I will think of something else.

Great work, super ideas, I tried to get to your home site but not able, do you have a web site up and running?

Great work, super ideas, I tried to get to your home site but not able, do you have a web site up and running?

Working on it still, I have a test page up but there is no real content and it is still kind of rough. My internet keeps going in and out so I am having cox come out and replace our drop to the alley and install a phone while they are at it.

Basically all that is up at www.xoskel.com is my logo on a black background.
The test page is in a sub directory that I will move up when it's finished.

So can I officially place an order for the single bar (low pro) set-up or are you not taking any official orders until payment lines are finished?

So can I officially place an order for the single bar (low pro) set-up or are you not taking any official orders until payment lines are finished?
Just drop me an email at sales@xoskel.com and tell me what you want, I am building them right now, I have added yours to the quantity but I would like you to shoot me an email as well.

Hopefully all the ordering/payment method/shipping hassles will be worked out soon.
I am sure it will all be worked out before I can get products back from the powder coater. What ever the time it is it takes me to do a batch you can add 5-6 business days to that for the powder coating process. I hope to stay ahead of orders with the lightbars and light cages and keep some in inventory so that there is only shipping time as the wait time.
I am not at that point yet.

How many do you have confirmed for order?... Just curious.. Deciding if i should jump on the list now, or in a few weeks..

Will you sell these without powdercoat? I was thinking about getting one raw (I might weld tabs to add alley lights to it, and would like to paint it the same color as my front bumper)
Thanks!

Will you sell these without powdercoat? I was thinking about getting one raw (I might weld tabs to add alley lights to it, and would like to paint it the same color as my front bumper)
Thanks!

I had the same idea as well :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3322041387_05dc00eba8_b.jpg

This is a terrific idea... and if the lights put out sufficient illumination, I just might be making this mod!!!

Fangs... well done... but you should also start posting examples of your photography! I've saved many of those I d/led at the AZ X site.... and I know people would appreciate seeing them.

I'm in Chandler... PM me if I can see that white X lit up at night. I'd like to see what level it can output.

I also like that low profile look as well. I'm going to buy that one or the front bar, when he gets a prototype out.

I'd like to see what level it can output.

take some pics and post em here please

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3322041387_05dc00eba8_b.jpg

This is a terrific idea... and if the lights put out sufficient illumination, I just might be making this mod!!!

Fangs... well done... but you should also start posting examples of your photography! I've saved many of those I d/led at the AZ X site.... and I know people would appreciate seeing them.

I'm in Chandler... PM me if I can see that white X lit up at night. I'd like to see what level it can output.

The lightbar is sold all by itself, the lights output depends on the lights you buy to put on the lightbar.

The owner of the white Xterra in that image purchased a lightcage, and will be getting 100watt KD Daylighters to put on them.

The lights in that image are cheapo hella knock offs that I bought at Autozone for the soul purpose of using them in the images I took demonstrating what the bar looked like with lights in them. I have not seen the hella brand originals but I can only imagine them to be higher quality and better value for your money then the lights I used for my images. I really can not recommend the Autozone lights over the Hellas but you can always compare for yourself.

Seeing the bar and cage without lights in them is not inspiring I can tell you that much, so I really needed to get some low profile lights fast for the photoshoot.

We never wired the lights up to see how it looked as yet.
I will be doing that soon as time permits.

Thank you for your appreciation of my photography. My camera and the xterra have really given me a new appreciation of my own for the wilderness and places previously unreachable and a way to bring those places back home without messing them all up.

when you produce a cool product for the X like this and you make a post on this site we all start foaming at the mouth and go rabid, making assumptions and day dreaming.

hehe...

when you produce a cool product for the X like this and you make a post on this site we all start foaming at the mouth and go rabid, making assumptions and day dreaming.

hehe...

These look like similar ones. Of course, he did the HID conversion also. :D

http://thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12964&highlight=conversion+hella

That looks pretty slick. I'm curious about the glare situation.

These look like similar ones. Of course, he did the HID conversion also. :D

http://thenewx.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12964&highlight=conversion+hella

They look exactly like those, non water tight cases and all.
They might be the same lights just badged with a different brand for Autozone, or they could be knock off's.

Autozone is an auto parts chain, just to let people who live in areas that do not have Autozones know what I am talking about. Most of the lights they sell there are crap, with the exception of the chrome finished 100watt KC Daylighters, not my favorite finish. They also carry some terrible "KC Wannabes" that look kind of weak and flimsy in comparison.

Have you thought about making a similar bar for the rear of the rack for people to mount rear lights on?
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Have you thought about making a similar bar for the rear of the rack for people to mount rear lights on?
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Yes, as well as a few other options for side lighting.

Yes, as well as a few other options for side lighting.
Right On!!!

Have you thought about making a similar bar for the rear of the rack for people to mount rear lights on?
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I really like this idea/suggestion by Musikman, but i'll take sliders first!

any sketches of the proposed grill light bar?

any sketches of the proposed grill light bar?

Not until I actually tear my bumper apart and see where all/any the good mount points are.
There are products on the market already that I have to study and find out what I do and do not like about them to make sure I am not duplicating any built on lameness. Some of these things you can design a lot of different ways and some you are limited by the mount points.
I have been getting people wanting me to build one for months now, I finally have the right tools for it so it is on the short list for sure.

There are some ideas for the roof I need to make drawings of so I can have them machined in a cnc mill. Others that I need to talk to some plastics manufacturers to have built. At this point however most of my would be developing time is being eaten up by the minutia of starting a new small business. Right after I post this I have to search for a box manufacturer to ship light bars in. From there its figure out what other equipment I need for shipping such as glue guns, staplers, scales and tape machines. Bubble wrap, packing foam...

You get the idea.

and a sticker designer!

yes it is all about the stickers!

Was just talking to the wife about the stickers.
Those are in the works as well.

My box people will probably be canyonstate. http://www.canyonstatebox.com/

I really don't think stickers are optional though. I mean...you sell a product to a crowd like this it's just expected!

Fangars,

When it comes time to think stickers, let me know, I'll give you the contact info of a good sticker guy.

Hey fangars.. . I like your box.

How about a cb antenna mount that uses one of the strut brackets for the back hatch.

On the grill light bar. It would be nice to have one that is recessed into the grill a bit and not too thick so it could accommodate lights like the FF75s

oh yes, stickers are a must! +5 hp for each one i have :)

On the grill light bar. It would be nice to have one that is recessed into the grill a bit and not to thick so it could accommodate lights like the FF75s

X2 :headbang:

What kind of tubing are these made out of, and what wall thickness? Just curious. Thanks.

oh yes, stickers are a must! +5 hp for each one i have :)

yup, my TheNewX sticker gives my +5 1/2 hp!

I beat a porche the other day:
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo209/revx/IMG_0120.jpg

Another image before I go back outside to weld more lightbars before work.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3325827350_cb0d92549a_b.jpg

Are the attachment points slotted to accept lights with longer studs or to allow slight front to back adjustment?

hows the site coming along, fangars? i've got some coin with your name on it!

hows the site coming along, fangars? i've got some coin with your name on it!

ditto!!!!

ditto!!!!

Double Ditto!!!

Double Ditto!!!

Triple!

Quad!

sinco

You've got my info//I'm waiting to hear from you/ch

This is turning into that "stealthed" thread.....this thread has "jumped the shark."
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You've got my info//I'm waiting to hear from you/ch

Still figuring out the shipping details, boxes and who to use and such.

As I stated before none of this will affect production and wait times.

Several cages and bars are in powder coat as I write this, and to be honest I really have to start getting capital to flow in so rest assured I am on the case.

I really want to make sure I do the shipping right since the customers are paying for shipping.

I will get back to everyone asap on this.

Good news is I have payment method thats viable, bad news is they make it very difficult to integrate shipping values into the system to account for different size boxes and such.

I will most likely be doing all these initial orders by email until this gets figured out.

Thank you for your patience with a new small business trying to get off the ground.

I bet now you wished you waited a couple weeks before telling the vultures where to find new meat eh?

I bet now you wished you waited a couple weeks before telling the vultures where to find new meat eh?

Actually its just the motivation I need to keep me working the 70 to 80 hours a week to make this happen. I have no complaints about people being impatient to give me money and I have to admit it does make me feel good that they want to own my products.

The meat will be delivered.

Actually its just the motivation I need to keep me working the 70 to 80 hours a week to make this happen. I have no complaints about people being impatient to give me money and I have to admit it does make me feel good that they want to own my products.

The meat will be delivered.

^ he said meat... :iconbiggrin:

I've decided on the lo pro. :)

I've decided on the lo pro. :)
Shoot me an email at sales@xoskel.com

done.

email sent for a low pro!

looks good - email sent on the low profile

Holy Crap, John!!!!!!!!!! How did I miss this thread? I really like your lightbars, but I'm probably going to hold out for a full replacement rack.

Do you need a Gen2 for a prototype (so you don't have to keep taking yours on and off while you haul steel)?

Might also need some new sliders now that I've got the Titan swap and 2" BL on.

BTW, for those of you that haven't seen Fangars' sliders, they are bada$$!!! We at AZXC are kinda spoiled because we get to see his work firsthand.

Maybe I missed it, but is there a link or price for the sliders?

Not in production yet, IIRC.

Wife wants the caged bar. I'm local(ish), so I can just give you cash :)

get that first round back from powdercoat? i can give you CC info over phone if you don't have paypal up yet and those low pro's are ready to ship out.

get that first round back from powdercoat? i can give you CC info over phone if you don't have paypal up yet and those low pro's are ready to ship out.

Ditto

get that first round back from powdercoat? i can give you CC info over phone if you don't have paypal up yet and those low pro's are ready to ship out.

same question here

Fang, any pics of the lo pro bar with round 6" lights on it? Like the KC or PIAA or whatnot?

I will post pics of the lo pro with big lights as soon as I can get to it.
The first wave of powder coated parts should be coming out today, but it seems to be the way of most things that say 5-6 days to actually mean 7-9.

I have paypal, set up especially for Xoskel.

I will post pics of the lo pro with big lights as soon as I can get to it.
The first wave of powder coated parts should be coming out today, but it seems to be the way of most things that say 5-6 days to actually mean 7-9.

I have paypal, set up especially for Xoskel.

Are the low pro style done??????????????

Are the low pro style done??????????????
Waiting on powder coater.

I will post pics of the lo pro with big lights as soon as I can get to it.
The first wave of powder coated parts should be coming out today, but it seems to be the way of most things that say 5-6 days to actually mean 7-9.

I have paypal, set up especially for Xoskel.


are you just doing paypal or are you accepting credit card also?

are you just doing paypal or are you accepting credit card also?

FYI - You can set up PayPal to use your credit cards.

What SeXterrPA said.

Yea, what I said! :rockin:

yeah what he said

thats what she said....

Powder Coaters came through late in the day, luckily I live and work close by.
Applying stickers, and making boxes.

I did not get the larger stickers I wanted made as yet as it seems sticker making companies do not seem to realize what their email accounts are for.

The company I went with is coming around but not soon, I will ship separately when they finally come in to all those who purchased a bar or cage. Not bad mouthing the company I went with as I bungled some info that I gave them and my phone number. Late nights and early mornings are catching up with me.

I want to thank everyone for being so patient as I struggle to get this business off the ground, and for those who are not patient do not sweat it, I completely understand.

Here are images of my makeshift sticker mill, my other benches are piled high with other jobs.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3644/3387029280_4e0f47f624_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3431/3387029276_d488ceffab_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/3387029270_ee19c605e7_b.jpg

That looks great. So, can I send you my money yet? Is your site up?

looks awesome. um, will you sell these without the stickers?

edit: i should add, im not trying to be a ****, but badges and stickers i like to keep to a minimum.

Looks good! At first I thought you went with a cheapo sticker, but in the first two pics I think they still have the applicator on. The last picture shows the sticker better. I wonder how it would look off to the side, like the NISSSAN decal is on the air dam.

looks good man! wanna charge me for another sticker with my order and ill throw one on my window? im a bit of a sticker whore. really excited to get one of these bad boys!

Next batch perhaps I will just pack the stickers with the product, let people put them where they want if they want to at all.
I am going to send additional stickers, larger ones I will be drop shipping later when I get them.

That is a good idea.

BTW I like the sticker. Nice, simple design. :drink:

OOOHHHHH, I'm getting so excited!!! I'm number 6 for the lo pro bar and I count 8 of the in the picture!!! Hopefully will have it by my next whelling trip on April 19th!!!!

yeah i like the sticker as well. just not on the bar itself.

ouch!


:violent3:

ouch!


:violent3:

?????

I read it twice and did not read the word "on" as in "on the bar." I don't know if he corrected it or I just missed it twice but if you take that word out you can see why i thought he was being harsh. :shaking: my bad.

Call me a liar and log off?!?!?!?!?!?

huh? I never called you a liar.